The ILCA Dinghy became a reality

Rob B

Well-Known Member
#21
I can't really see the rest of the world wanting to pay PSA list price + shipping, not the cheapest of the bunch. I am interested to see what PSA boats end up retailing for in other countries once the mess is sorted out.

I'm always surprised when I see Australian made products available in the US at a much lower retail price than they're available in Australia, to the point where importing from the US and paying shipping + import duty is cheaper than purchasing locally (Automotive products is where I've seen this mostly)
I've heard several "finishing" quality related stories on LP boats. Assuming things hold together and unless LP works on quality and service I'll hold out for a PSA hull when the time for a new boat comes. Just my personal opinion.
 

thieuster

Active Member
#22
Word has it:

Contenders from Europe who’ve taken their own boat to Kingston have to remove the ‘Laser’ decal and replace it for the ‘ILCA’ decal.

Any confirmation on this?
 
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Word has it:

Contenders from Europe who’ve taken their own boat to Kingston have to remove the ‘Laser’ decal and replace it for the ‘ILCA’ decal.

Any confirmation on this?
It might be truth. On ilca worldwide sure this championship named as ILCA Radial World Youth Championship, not as Laser Radial... Championship. And 4.7 has same situation.
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
#24
Contenders from Europe who’ve taken their own boat to Kingston have to remove the ‘Laser’ decal and replace it for the ‘ILCA’ decal.
Would make no sense. If the name is banned, then everybody would have to cover their sail insignia as well, and tape over every "Laser" on fittings... not happening. Who'd benefit from that? Or the other way round, whose loss is it if some of the boats don't display the name?

As I understand it, this is a "bring your own boat" event - the boat you bring may actually be your own, or a chartered one. It's just the new charter boats that were brought from outside the trademark region that should be affected in any way.

On ilca worldwide sure this championship named as ILCA Radial World Youth Championship, not as Laser Radial... Championship. And 4.7 has same situation.
The regatta logo doesn't say "Laser" but the official regatta website does.

But it's still four days until measurement begins. Things may still change.

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LaLi

Well-Known Member
#26
Where?

the ICLA decals are being removed from the PSA boats before racing begins
What's the point of that? Aren't you free to have any sticker on the boat, chartered or not?

Damn, the boats should be able to say "PSA" in big red letters! The only thing they can't do is to sell them in Canada as new boats.

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Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
#27
This is almost funny...
The short life of the ILCA Dinghy...
:)

Or will it come back to life? We might get an idea in a few weeks, after the voting ends.
 
#29
Where?

What's the point of that? Aren't you free to have any sticker on the boat, chartered or not?

Damn, the boats should be able to say "PSA" in big red letters! The only thing they can't do is to sell them in Canada as new boats.

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Eric's posts are in the comments of this thread at the Sailors Voice Facebook page: Leonardo Ciasca
 

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#30
You can have within reason anything on the side of the hull, although certain areas are specifically held for regatta advertising.
 
Thread starter #31
Sorry once again that not about the theme of the thread but I got one more question, what's the color of PSJ's boats? As I've seen they're just white,but maybe I'm wrong‍♂️
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
#35
It says, "Portsmouth Olympic harbour, Kin..." on the pictures. That's Kingston, Ontario :rolleyes:

As said before, this what new PSA boats have to say in LP territory, before any contract allowing otherwise is signed.

The best part? These plaques say "Bruce Kirby" once again!

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Thread starter #36
It says, "Portsmouth Olympic harbour, Kin..." on the pictures. That's Kingston, Ontario :rolleyes:

As said before, this what new PSA boats have to say in LP territory, before any contract allowing otherwise is signed.

The best part? These plaques say "Bruce Kirby" once again!

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I'm not understanding, is that good or it is not, that these plaques mentoring Bruce Kirby ?
 

Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
#37
I'm not understanding, is that good or it is not, that these plaques mentoring Bruce Kirby ?
Well, opinions vary a lot about whether that's good or bad. It may be good for Bruce because he MAY be getting a royalty on these boats. But I believe that this is tied up in court in the USA. It's all quite complicated :(

There are rumors that these ILCA Dinghies (brought into Canada by PSA) may be getting sold after the regatta. If so, LaserPerformance won't like that idea at all and may start a legal process to prevent that from happening. All speculation as of today (Aug 16)!
 
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Well, opinions vary a lot about whether that's good or bad. It may be good for Bruce because he MAY be getting a royalty on these boats. But I believe that this is tied up in court in the USA. It's all quite complicated :(

There are rumors that these ILCA Dinghies (brought into Canada by PSA) may be getting sold after the regatta. If so, LaserPerformance won't like that idea at all and may start a legal process to prevent that from happening. All speculation as of today (Aug 16)!
Most of boats will be holden by charter owners, I wrote around 1 week ago and I asked them about these ILCA boats, they told me that 80% of all ILCA's already owned by different charter companies, so I think soon we will see these boats on some international European events F.E Senior International in Greece, Kalamata in 2020. Anyway, we'll see everything soon)
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
#39
is that good or it is not, that these plaques mentoring Bruce Kirby ?
I think it's basically a good thing that the designer of the boat gets at least this tiny piece of respect. He's 90 years old and deserves it, even though (even) I think he's made some not-smart moves during the last 10 or so years.

I believe PSA has been paying royalties to him all the time, and PSJ hasn't. Whether LP will pay any old dues is being decided in court. It's a long story...

I wrote around 1 week ago and I asked them about these ILCA boats, they told me that 80% of all ILCA's already owned by different charter companies
Who are "they"? Which charter companies and where? Weren't these boats supposed to go back to Australia? Or are they going first there and then to the charter companies? :confused:

(I still don't understand why these boats couldn't be sold anywhere now that they aren't new anymore. And specifically as "Lasers" as well.)

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Thread starter #40
I think it's basically a good thing that the designer of the boat gets at least this tiny piece of respect. He's 90 years old and deserves it, even though (even) I think he's made some not-smart moves during the last 10 or so years.

I believe PSA has been paying royalties to him all the time, and PSJ hasn't. Whether LP will pay any old dues is being decided in court. It's a long story...

Who are "they"? Which charter companies and where? Weren't these boats supposed to go back to Australia? Or are they going first there and then to the charter companies? :confused:

(I still don't understand why these boats couldn't be sold anywhere now that they aren't new anymore. And specifically as "Lasers" as well.)

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I think some part of boats will be sold, and new boats that are coming now and in future will have decals/plaques ILCA. About Kirby, I got you, and he deserves much more respect for sure, appreciate him. And if I'd find now exactly ILCA boat, I'd like to get it, but I already got one, Australian too, 210xxx, so probably will just change these starboard/port decals and it will look good
 
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