In your opinion, what do you prefer and why? LPE or PSA? I was using both boats, both spars/foils etc, and I prefer more PSA, it seems like they do everything on higher (I don't know how to explain) level. Especially spars.Exactly. They don't say "Laser" so they don't breach LP's trademark.
Interesting that this is already happening. But it's an understandable emergency measure at this point in time. In two weeks, we may not need those labels again!
This organization is very legit. You just can't use the trademark on PSA-built boats in Canada, at the Radial Youth Worlds.
That would be PSA's business. Of course the boats have WS plaques. They don't say "Laser" anymore anyway.Maybe they didn't pay for the (WorldSailing) plaque either.
Seems LP reduced their costs after PSA came to the party to provide cheaper charters for the kidsLaser Performance approached the class and wanted to charge sailors +$2000 for a charter for the event in Canada. PSA offered a much better price. The boats were brought in on an ATA Carnet (temporary import) with different decals for trademark reasons. For racing, all the external decals have been removed. No issues with customs coming into Canada because they weren't using the trademark. The boats will be used at two events and then taken out of the country. This was all done to support sailors racing at reasonable costs.
Whatever you choose to do. But U21 STD Worlds will be somewhere in Italy too. 470/49er are cool dinghies for sure, I wish him good luck)Yes after writing my question, I realised that it's on ILCA's site as well... My son will be too old for the Youth championships and he's currently in transition to the Standard as well (which will be a struggle, since he's not very tall - options for a transfer to other boats like the 49 and the 470 are also considered )
torrid, isn't this a bit of an overreaction? What is so different now? The boats in question won't affect the NA market as they're going elsewhere. Even if they'd stay, I don't see why they couldn't be sold as legal "Lasers" - the trademark limitations shouldn't concern them after they become used boats. How would even that affect things at the club level? If there were a market for fake hulls, wouldn't someone already have provided them?The use of practice sails, spars and blades for club racing has been accepted for some time. The same is now in place for hulls.
What's the evidence? Of course PSA wants to sell their products globally once/if the market opens, but they can get all the plaques they want - it's rather LP who is now in the position where selling plaqueless boats is a realistic option.I guarantee PSA has plans in the works to bring in boats to North America. With or without plaques.
Just so everyone is clear on what just happened here.
The use of practice sails, spars and blades for club racing has been accepted for some time. The same is now in place for hulls.
These PSA hulls may have appeared for a sanctioned event on a technicality. However, I guarantee PSA has plans in the works to bring in boats to North America. With or without plaques. You are soon going to see 99ers from South America and who knows what from China. Maybe LP will finally bring in a few new boats.
Outside of the Olympics continuing with the Laser, the current class vote just became a moot point.
I've heard several "finishing" quality related stories on LP boats. Assuming things hold together and unless LP works on quality and service I'll hold out for a PSA hull when the time for a new boat comes. Just my personal opinion.I can't really see the rest of the world wanting to pay PSA list price + shipping, not the cheapest of the bunch. I am interested to see what PSA boats end up retailing for in other countries once the mess is sorted out.
I'm always surprised when I see Australian made products available in the US at a much lower retail price than they're available in Australia, to the point where importing from the US and paying shipping + import duty is cheaper than purchasing locally (Automotive products is where I've seen this mostly)
It might be truth. On ilca worldwide sure this championship named as ILCA Radial World Youth Championship, not as Laser Radial... Championship. And 4.7 has same situation.Word has it:
Contenders from Europe who’ve taken their own boat to Kingston have to remove the ‘Laser’ decal and replace it for the ‘ILCA’ decal.
Any confirmation on this?
Would make no sense. If the name is banned, then everybody would have to cover their sail insignia as well, and tape over every "Laser" on fittings... not happening. Who'd benefit from that? Or the other way round, whose loss is it if some of the boats don't display the name?Contenders from Europe who’ve taken their own boat to Kingston have to remove the ‘Laser’ decal and replace it for the ‘ILCA’ decal.
The regatta logo doesn't say "Laser" but the official regatta website does.On ilca worldwide sure this championship named as ILCA Radial World Youth Championship, not as Laser Radial... Championship. And 4.7 has same situation.
What's the point of that? Aren't you free to have any sticker on the boat, chartered or not?the ICLA decals are being removed from the PSA boats before racing begins
Eric's posts are in the comments of this thread at the Sailors Voice Facebook page: Leonardo CiascaWhere?
What's the point of that? Aren't you free to have any sticker on the boat, chartered or not?
Damn, the boats should be able to say "PSA" in big red letters! The only thing they can't do is to sell them in Canada as new boats.
I'm not understanding, is that good or it is not, that these plaques mentoring Bruce Kirby ?It says, "Portsmouth Olympic harbour, Kin..." on the pictures. That's Kingston, Ontario
As said before, this what new PSA boats have to say in LP territory, before any contract allowing otherwise is signed.
The best part? These plaques say "Bruce Kirby" once again!