LP no longer an approved builder-- why?

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Does anyone know what exact incongruencies LP had in their products that drove the class to this decision? I realize that the availability of integral components was limited in recent years, but is there more to this story?
 
#3
Will be interesting to know what any new approved European builder can market the boat as. Do not LPE hold the European trademark “Laser”. Are we about to become the International Torch Association?
 

Rob B

Well-Known Member
#5
Will be interesting to know what any new approved European builder can market the boat as. Do not LPE hold the European trademark “Laser”. Are we about to become the International Torch Association?
One thing for sure is something big just got pushed off a tall cliff! It will be very interesting to see what happens when it lands....
 

Rob B

Well-Known Member
#7
And I just put down a deposit on an ARC rig.
I think the tea leaves on the new rig possibilities was always clear from the ILCA. For class purposes any direction they would approve would have been from the Australia C-rig line.

Either way- I'm sure LP is happy to sell the ARC rig to anyone wanting one. You can still sail with it, but even without the current snafu racing with the ARC rigs is/was also a long way off just as it will be on the c-rig for anything outside of the current 4.7 rig format.
 

thieuster

Active Member
#8
My British sailing buddies (some close to LPE) don’t know anything else than ILCA’s announcement.

My first thought was that this is NOT the best situation for Laser now the Olympic future is on the line.

Menno
 

Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
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We need some spies inside the LP manufacturing facility to tell us. What are they doing there that conflicts with the Laser Construction Manual?
Cheaper resin or fiberglass?
Aren't the spars made elsewhere?
 
#10
Class Association statement does not say they are doing anything that conflicts with the construction manual. What it says is that LPE have not allowed inspections to check that they are complying
 

Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
#11
Class Association statement does not say they are doing anything that conflicts with the construction manual. What it says is that LPE have not allowed inspections to check that they are complying
Agreed; I was hypothesizing as to why LP didn't allow ILCA inspection of the facility. Where they trying to hide 'something'?
Other ideas, far out or not, welcome!
 

Wavedancer

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#12
Agreed; I was hypothesizing as to why LP didn't allow ILCA inspection of the facility. Where they trying to hide 'something'?
Other ideas, far out or not, welcome!
Another hypothesis:
LP got 'angry' with ILCA because ILCA appears to favor the C rig (or rigs) from Australia, making the ARC rig being developed by LP 'dead-on-arrival'.
 

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#13
You are forgetting that LP wasn't paying the royalities to Kirby (or PSA). This situation has been brewing for a decade. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone inside the LP market area would be upset as It seems that there has been supply issues for at least a decade, not experienced elsewhere.
 

Wavedancer

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#14
You are forgetting that LP wasn't paying the royalities to Kirby (or PSA). This situation has been brewing for a decade. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone inside the LP market area would be upset as It seems that there has been supply issues for at least a decade, not experienced elsewhere.
Not forgetting!
ILCA has been well aware of supply problems (especially in the USA), but it seems to me that there must be another reason for the recent decision to jettison LP. Moreover, the supply line to the USA has gotten a bit better of late, people report.
 
#15
I believe that there may be more going on with LP than we think. I met a chinese sailor who said that he lived close by a factory in China that was building laser performance boats. May be possible that the LP boats aren't even built in the UK.
 

Rob B

Well-Known Member
#16
I believe that there may be more going on with LP than we think. I met a chinese sailor who said that he lived close by a factory in China that was building laser performance boats. May be possible that the LP boats aren't even built in the UK.
What he said. We may never know the whole story, but one thing for sure is it has been a painful experience since LP took over.

As for US supply things have improved some. However, some dealers are currently out of the North MKII sails at the moment and only have Hyde.
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
#17
May be possible that the LP boats aren't even built in the UK.
I thought of the same the other day! Maybe LP doesn't want anyone to see their site exactly because there's nothing to see... literally. Whether that would be against the Building Manual, I don't know, and as it's a non-public document, neither do many others.

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#18
I saw the Banbury factory in November 2018 and it was operating normally. What impressed me was the skill and craftsmanship of the teams building the boats as well as the care which went into making them and ensuring they were all identical. Many of the craftsman have been building hulls for years and know how to avoid all the pitfalls.

I have no problem with LP in the UK they have always served me well and all my new boats have been great. I have more problems with the UK and International Associations who appear to have deserted Club and Recreational Sailors to concentrate on the elite sailors and Olympic hopefuls.
 

Rob B

Well-Known Member
#20
Rubbish!!!! Given the supply issues I've personally experienced over the past few years, (and stories shared by multiple suppliers) I'm not inclined to believe the statements above nor inclined to go for the "spin" on this document. As a North American I take offense that all leadership MUST be based in Europe and as a class member I do not see the advantage of having "professional", (Which I read as LP employees) running the class. I stand with our ILCA leadership on this.
 
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