I think you will run the risk of losing fleets who have lost trust in the Class, plus, what support do local fleets have from the Class or Builder? Im helping with a "Laser Only, One design, no knock-off sails regatta" at my club this weekend and havent seen any support.
Who should we ask for, and what kind of support should we expect?
I think you will run the risk of losing fleets who have lost trust in the Class, plus, what support do local fleets have from the Class or Builder? Im helping with a "Laser Only, One design, no knock-off sails regatta" at my club this weekend and havent seen any support.
Who should we ask for, and what kind of support should we expect?
We contact our local dealer(s) and lean on them for support, in return for promoting them in the NOR, skippers meeting etc.. We also invite them onsite with their "regatta" van and then can do on site sales...
The Austin fleet has only one sailor with an Intensity rag and he usually doesn't make it past the leeward mark by teh time the rest of the fleet has finished... and, unfortunatly, gets pissed if anyone attempts to help him..
I see this issue has become hot enough to draw you back from hibernation!
for thiose who don't know what the Wayback Machine is>>>
Greetings!
It surely has been a long time.
I definitely support this project. We did ask ILCA to push for a new Standard sail design. Not at all costs, though! For instance, would you like this 12-panel, bi-radial cut sail to render all current sails obsolete overnight, or to cost 970 USD, or to be required (or not required) for sanctioned events racing?
Why doesn't anybody even mention ILCA membership approval of the final design and introduction procedures? Or has your experience with the new Australian-built and "GRP infusion" foils conditioned all of you to sheepishly accept whatever the Builder pushes down your throats as "Builder Supplied"?
Love you all! Especially you, Fred!
Thanks for the R & B clip, Fred, but it didn't include any mention of the Wayback Machine! Loved the dragon bit with Professor Peabody and his boy Sherman, but it still didn't include the Wayback Machine!
OK... This one is a lot more appropriate to Lasers, bringing in different sails, and this thread>>>
YouTube - The Bullwinkle Show "Mr. Know-It All"
that will help promote the boat and your fleet..good job...not!!!!The Austin fleet has only one sailor with an Intensity rag and he usually doesn't make it past the leeward mark by teh time the rest of the fleet has finished... and, unfortunatly, gets pissed if anyone attempts to help him..
that will help promote the boat and your fleet..good job...not!!!!
OK one last try. Here is a true classic Wayback Machine video...
YouTube - Peabody's Improbable History - Ponce De Leon
Lu noted:
"(The Laser first) came with the Elvstroem Sail. Years later, this sail was replaced by a Haarstick sail, followed by another Haarstick (with the word “compucut” in the sailsticker) a couple of years later. Then, in early 90s, the Hyde 3.8 oz sail was introduced. Has there been any 'membership approval' at each change of the sail at those days?"
Excuse me, Lu, but you are comparing apples and oranges! None of these earlier Standard sail revisions involved any design changes. The panels were identically cut. At most, the batten pockets were shaped differently. What changed was just the manufacturer. What we are talking about now, however, is a radically different (bi-radial) design.
Whether membership approval was needed back then or not is totally irrelevant.
Shevy
Excuse me, Lu, but you are comparing apples and oranges! None of these earlier Standard sail revisions involved any design changes. The panels were identically cut. At most, the batten pockets were shaped differently.
…Whether membership approval was needed back then or not is totally irrelevant.
The spec of the cloth was changed in about 1985-86, from the original 3.2oz cloth. The 3.8 oz cloth was just a standard cloth of the day, it has subsequently become obsolete with further developments in cloth since then, just like what ever cloth on the new sail will be obsolete within a few years. The relationship to cost is because once a cloth is obsolete, often it's no longer produced except by special order which tend to be more expensive.Wasn't there a change of material in the early 90s? The special 3.8 oz. cloth that is one of the reasons for the high cost?
Wasn't there a change of material in the early 90s? The special 3.8 oz. cloth that is one of the reasons for the high cost?
Wasn't there a change of material in the early 90s? The special 3.8 oz. cloth that is one of the reasons for the high cost?
on the umpteenth day of christmas,
there was something in my mail
a square top, fully-battened, mylar laser sail
'yes', the note (from north) said, 'this sail is now legal'
and you will be flying like an eagle
but on the next day of christmas,
the ilca scrooge came to my bed
and told me 'this nonsense has to end;'
'go back to your crummy dacron sheet'
and all we can do is weep....
Eric, FWIW, I think the Newport fleet has kept growing since you moved and are putting more boats on the line then CPYC, while the numbers at CPYC have been dropping steadily over the past three years.
I believe the dropping of the numbers had a large role in the decision to allow the non-class sail, hoping to draw more people, but I don't think the sail price has been the main cause.
could someone please explain why we need a super expensive upgrade and/or change?
I am a fan of the van/cunny/outhaul changes made many moons ago but I fail to see the reason and the wisdom behind changing the sail for something more expensive
The only thing that could drive the price up is the builder deciding if the new sail lasts longer by x percent, they could therefore justify increasing the price as well (but hopefully not by the same x percent).