I'm just wondering, why don't you walk into a chandlery or boat shop with the old lines you wanna replace, then choose new lines to do just that? But I get it, you want the additional opinion too, no extra charge, lol.
Yes. Take and post photos of all your present sheeting/control systems, and we can then figure out how to improve them (and you can figure how to rig them again)!you could photograph the entire layout as it currently exists... though it might be WRONG
Im excited to find some people that know about Laser 2. This boat has not been registered for many many years. Partly because it did not have to be inYes. Take and post photos of all your present sheeting/control systems, and we can then figure out how to improve them (and you can figure how to rig them again)!
Sailboats.co.uk (the owner of rights to the Laser 2) does sell a complete line set. You'd get the right lengths (plus then some) at least, although some thicknesses are strange - 6 millimetres for the main cunningham, outhaul and traveller is not only overkill, but it may not even fit properly through some of the fittings. (Also, the picture on that page is not of an L2 set.)
Combined with some numbers from the old PSE manual, I'd recommend the following (length/diameter):
The spinnaker sheet should have a Dyneema core, while all the others should be all-polyester double braids. The two other sheets can be even pretty soft and relatively stretchy, but the actual control lines should be higher quality, "pre-stretched" or comparable.
- mainsheet - 9 metres/8 millimetres
- jibsheet - 7 m/8 mm
- spinnaker sheet - 13.5 m/6 mm
- vang - length depends on how much purchase and how long a tail you want, at least 4 m/5 or 6 mm
- traveller - length depends on how you rig it, but 5 m/5 mm should do
- main cunningham - found no number but 1 m/4mm should do
- outhaul - 3.1 m/4 or 5 mm
- clew tie-down - 0.65 m/4 mm
- jib cunningham - length of foredeck + 0.8 m/4 mm
- hiking strap line - length depends on strap length/4 or 5 mm
- rudder downhaul - length depends on where the cleat is/3 mm
There is a shop in Michigan called Midwest Sailing that carries some hard-to-get L2 parts, but I don't know if they can help with the ropes. No harm in asking though.
How old is your boat, what is its sail number/transom code?
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I didn't get a spinnaker with my Laser but I wouldnt mind getting one eventuallyThe spinnaker sheet should have a Dyneema core,
Sorry that I haven’t answered yet, I’ve been away from home for some time and will be for a few days still. (I really don’t like doing this on my phone!). But just for now, I can say your boat was built in Montreal in June 1980, and its real sail number is 1129 (your mainsail is from a newer boat if it says 5292). I think that’s the second oldest Laser 2 I’ve seen on this forum; the first ones were built in December 1979.
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That's interesting to know!. Another question, where would I get a Spinnaker for this boatSorry that I haven’t answered yet, I’ve been away from home for some time and will be for a few days still. (I really don’t like doing this on my phone!). But just for now, I can say your boat was built in Montreal in June 1980, and its real sail number is 1129 (your mainsail is from a newer boat if it says 5292). I think that’s the second oldest Laser 2 I’ve seen on this forum; the first ones were built in December 1979.
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Sounds like great adviceSince you are new to sailing, put the spinnaker way down on your list of things to buy and learn about.
Don't forget to practice capsize recoveries.
i picked one up in the spring. first boat ive had in years. dont worry about practicing your righting. youll have plenty of chances. at 15-20kts holy crap you get busy and fast! i suggest going out in under 10mph winds. you can easily get in swimming lessons gybing at that speed! lol. were at about 500 avg for our outings. my head sail trimmer is a newbie though. so...it can be tricky. but weve been having a blast. i ordered all my lines from one design us on the cape. i replaced everything but kept all the existing for emergency backups that i take with me in a gear bag. i stuff it all in a port in the aft.Sounds like great advice
Sorry that I haven’t answered yet, I’ve been away from home for some time and will be for a few days still. (I really don’t like doing this on my phone!). But just for now, I can say your boat was built in Montreal in June 1980, and its real sail number is 1129 (your mainsail is from a newer boat if it says 5292). I think that’s the second oldest Laser 2 I’ve seen on this forum; the first ones were built in December 1979.
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Yeah, I think yours is the only one so far with a three-digit number (the first production boat was number 450 for some reason).hey...does that mean mines the oldest??? 953!
I don't see any extra holes. I haven't seen the hook-and-hole attachment for the turnbuckles before, but the other fittings are arranged in a way that was typical for later North American boats. I'd guess it's a late 1980s mast.it looks like the mast has been retrofitted for the bottle adjusters for the diamonds too. you can see the original holes machined just a little lower near the step. thats gotta be retrofit stuff.
Not much that you either can or need to do to it. The 4:1 with a v-cleat is what it is, you can get more purchase by adding a loop in the line but I don't think it's necessary for recreational sailing. The line needs to be 5 or 6 mm to work (see post #14 above). A swivel between the cleat block and the mast might be an upgrade to think about.next up is the vang. which.....uh....taking advice on it.....thx....
The outhaul is a "set and forget" type adjustment on a recreational Laser 2. You don't need to adjust it much at all on the water, and absolutely no need to lead it into the cockpit. However, looking at the picture in post #13, your cleat is located in a strange place, and you might relocate it to the standard position that's visible in picture 2 in post #6.i also need to re rig the outhaul. when the boom is out dragging in the water....its really difficult to get hold of that. i just havent figured out a good route for it to get into the cockpit.
I'll distract you just enoughThat's very interesting about the mast rake..I guess the more important thing would be where is it when the jib is up. Because that can all be adjusted with jib Cunningham too..this damned boat tuning thing hurts my head. The fore stay is pretty loose when the jib is up. Don't distract me please. Lol.
Why not? Well, for example, because NO "XD" equipment is meant for the Laser 2. Laser, yes. Laser 2, no. There's no guarantee that anything "Laser" (or "ILCA") will even fit the L2, or work, or make sense. The vang might actually work, but you need an extra twisted shackle to attach it to the mast. Did you say earlier that you "did the Laser traveller block upgrades"? That one sounds like it's in the "no sense" category. (See the video in post #14 for more info.)I ordered the xd vang..I mean why not?
I will admit....it might have a 505 as a big brother before the end of the weekend though..these damned little boats are addictive.. lol.
mark Lindsay started that company.... you should recognize that name..I'm way to familiar with the hole you speak of.. lol.
Would like to see pictures of your traveller setup.The laser performance boom blocks and traveller block are the same..dropped right on and work perfectly with the yellow rooster main sheet.
No, that hole you've circled is the exit for the internal jib halyard. It cleats on the rack directly below it. You have the original external halyard with the lock way up the mast. Rik's mast shows the later standard North American setup, so it didn't come originally with that boat.heres the machined hole in the mast from where the old diamonds went through and into the tensioners in the bottom cap of the mast. exactly like mine. i bet those holes were drilled later for the turnbuckles.
The sideways jib tracks were probably an option from the start, and European boats had them always. Later North American boats have a very short fore-and-aft track, which is much smarter. With the sideways track you keep the lead almost always in the innermost position anyway.mine does not have the jib car tracks though. just the cams with the fairlead plate things screwed to the deck.
I think they sold spinnakerless versions of the boat at the time, but all the masts still had the holes ready for installing the spinnaker fittings. Pretty smart actually.my mast has the slheeve block hole for the spin but I don't think there are any screw holes where it went.. and there is zero other spin rigging on the boat..
Rik's mainsail carries a 5xxx number, and the mast may very well have come from the same 1985 boat.I'm also a little surprised they would have changed to the turnbuckles so quickly in the production run so early on in the same plant.
I think they sold spinnakerless versions of the boat at the time, but all the masts still had the holes ready for installing the spinnaker fittings. Pretty smart actually.
Rik's mainsail carries a 5xxx number, and the mast may very well have come from the same 1985 boat.
(Parker 7573? The closest number I remember is 7581, also a Parker with a wooden foredeck and centreboard case. It was a really hot boat at the time.)
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Now that I have done some sailing I see why you suggested I wait with the spinnaker > Sailing in our lake at home I stay pretty busy Sailing the Laser 2 on my own. I had it up on its side a couple of times the last time.Since you are new to sailing, put the spinnaker way down on your list of things to buy and learn about.
Don't forget to practice capsize recoveries.
Holy crap the entire bailer fell out! If you have the same one I do....I think it's called the super suck 80 or something. you're probably screwed with a replacement.. they stopped making them.a few years ago from what Ive found. I looked and looked for one but couldn't find one. And the opening is so big nothing new will work without glass work. Or a flange of some type. I thought about machining an aluminum adapter to hold a smaller new bailer. But then you'd have to be careful about it having less projection on the outer hull.Now that I have done some sailing I see why you suggested I wait with the spinnaker > Sailing in our lake at home I stay pretty busy Sailing the Laser 2 on my own. I had it up on its side a couple of times the last time.
Once i start taking it to lake Michigan and going up coast a ways i can see using one there.
So last time I sailed the plug thingy in the boat became disconnected and i lost it. What is it called ? I suppose it worked for drawing water from the boat while sailing. Where can i get a new one?
I went through all of the dimensions. The elvstrom bailers are now anderson..:-(An Elvstrom bailer might fit. I assume those are still available.
Yes. An IYE Super Shute 90 (Rik's bailer) has a 59 x 117 mm opening, while the Andersen Super Max is 54 x 110... so the latter is just perfectly too small for the hole of the formerI went through all of the dimensions.
I'll need to see one at least on the internet to see how they work and what they look like. I didnt become very familiar with it. Then I will try to make something that would work. I'm just going to cover it up and sail with it in the meantime. I can see it would be easier with two people but I'm having a great time with it. If I was going to sail with much more wind I probably have two peopleHoly crap the entire bailer fell out! If you have the same one I do....I think it's called the super suck 80 or something. you're probably screwed with a replacement.. they stopped making them.a few years ago from what Ive found. I looked and looked for one but couldn't find one. And the opening is so big nothing new will work without glass work. Or a flange of some type. I thought about machining an aluminum adapter to hold a smaller new bailer. But then you'd have to be careful about it having less projection on the outer hull.
Be sure to post what you figure out. How's sailing it solo??
heres what came in mine.
Super Shute 90 Bailer Laser 2
Fogh Marine is Canada's largest small sailboat, kayak, and SUP dealer with extensive knowledge of the boats we sell and sailing and paddling in general.<br /> Fogh Mshop.foghmarine.com
Im thinking of purchasing this one. I think its a bit smaller so I won't have to do any glass work. I can just make a bigger plate for it mount to and then mount to the boatHoly crap the entire bailer fell out! If you have the same one I do....I think it's called the super suck 80 or something. you're probably screwed with a replacement.. they stopped making them.a few years ago from what Ive found. I looked and looked for one but couldn't find one. And the opening is so big nothing new will work without glass work. Or a flange of some type. I thought about machining an aluminum adapter to hold a smaller new bailer. But then you'd have to be careful about it having less projection on the outer hull.
Be sure to post what you figure out. How's sailing it solo??
heres what came in mine.
Super Shute 90 Bailer Laser 2
Fogh Marine is Canada's largest small sailboat, kayak, and SUP dealer with extensive knowledge of the boats we sell and sailing and paddling in general.<br /> Fogh Mshop.foghmarine.com
Im thinking of purchasing this one. I think its a bit smaller so I won't have to do any glass work. I can just make a bigger plate for it mount to and then mount to the boat