New ISAF ILCA Plaque

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#21
The best thing that could happen to the class is being kicked out of the Olympics, it doing the class more harm than good. Better still, kick sailing out of the Olympics and we might get sailing going again at the grass roots level.
I think ISAF have plenty of arm-twisting power. They "own" the class association as well as the Olympic status. Both give the possibility to say to BK: "OK you won the court case, but now we have to make this work, if not the olympic status is gone" And for those who think that losing olympic status is good for the class... forget it. Look at Europe Dinghy, FD, Yngling, Soling. All those boats have lost or are close to losing their international class status. Few if any new boats are being built. A design competition for a mens/womens singlehander olympic class such as with Nacra and FX would be quite attractive to e.g. RS.
From Australian perspective, you would be lucky to be able to put together a national fleet of 20 boats in any of the existing Olympic classes, other than the Laser. No one here sails 470's, Finns, RS:X and 49's unless they are doing an Olympic campaign. Whilst it appears Stars have been dropped, there would be lucky to be 5 in country. Olympic status has been well known as being a death nail to a class, which is why the ILCA resisted Olympic status for 2 decades.

The strength of the Laser class comes from club level sailors and not the 20-30 elite sailors which the ILCA, ISAF and our national Laser Class associations and national sailing bodies dote over at our expense.
 
#22
From Australian perspective, you would be lucky to be able to put together a national fleet of 20 boats in any of the existing Olympic classes, other than the Laser. No one here sails 470's, Finns, RS:X and 49's unless they are doing an Olympic campaign. Whilst it appears Stars have been dropped, there would be lucky to be 5 in country. Olympic status has been well known as being a death nail to a class, which is why the ILCA resisted Olympic status for 2 decades.

The strength of the Laser class comes from club level sailors and not the 20-30 elite sailors which the ILCA, ISAF and our national Laser Class associations and national sailing bodies dote over at our expense.
Alan makes a good point here and prior. I agree that the strength of the Laser class should come from club level sailors but it does not because they don't join the class association to the same extent that the top sailors do. I find it odd that so many here and in other forums have so much to say about what a class association should do while they do not bother to join the class association. I don't blame the class for supporting and aligning with the wishes of those that do join. Afterall it is the duty of the class officers to represent the members. The problem of club level sailors not being represented belongs at the laps of club level sailors of which I am one... though I did join the class.

As to the comments by others of boats/plaques not being recognized, I suppose anything is possible but this seems a bit chicken little the sky is falling to me. I would not hesitate to buy a boat with the current ISAF plaque on it. My guess is that whomever wins and whatever class prevails will recognize and include all boats Laser and Torches should they ever be built and sold. Even if BKI wins on all counts I would bet the Laser class continues.

As someone said earlier, hopefully it all gets resolved in 2014 but even if not the dispute does not seem to be having any significant effect on the sailors/fleets which is good news and a credit to those running the class association.
 

Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
#23
As to the comments by others of boats/plaques not being recognized, I suppose anything is possible but this seems a bit chicken little the sky is falling to me. I would not hesitate to buy a boat with the current ISAF plaque on it. My guess is that whomever wins and whatever class prevails will recognize and include all boats Laser and Torches should they ever be built and sold. Even if BKI wins on all counts I would bet the Laser class continues.

As someone said earlier, hopefully it all gets resolved in 2014 but even if not the dispute does not seem to be having any significant effect on the sailors/fleets which is good news and a credit to those running the class association.
Well said/written.
I will add that the class as we know it may get another name if Kirby/BKI 'wins' (some or most of) the case since I read repeatedly that the Laser name/logo is (and will be) owned by LaserPerformance.
 
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jeffers

Active Member
Thread starter #24
I believe the only people who can actually kick a class from the Olympics are the IOC (the ISAF only recommends equipment, in theory the IOC could override it). How an equipment change would affect sailing as we are part way through an Olympic cycle would be hard to imagine (if you really care about that sort of thing).

I cannot honestly see BKI wanting to cause issue for the Olympic status at this present despite that fact that a significant majority of the class would like to be distanced from the Olympic band wagon....

Remember he did time his 'sacking' of the builders AFTER the 2012 Olympics specifically so it did not affect the supply of boats for the Olympic event.
 
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