New design Standard Sail

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Does anyone have experience with the new standard sail? Will it be only dis-allowed in World-Cup events, Worlds and Olympics? What about Masters Worlds?
 

LaLi

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#2
http://sailingforums.com/threads/introducing-the-new-official-class-sail.20451/page-6#post-147470

The bi-radial Standard sail is not legal, period. It means that it isn't allowed in any Laser racing. Whenever it's legalized, then it will be legal for everything everywhere. The class rules are universal, not something that's applied on a regatta-by-regatta basis.

The legalization date is still completely open for speculation. Nothing is likely to happen before the Olympics next year, and even after that it's all dependent on the outcome of the Kirby vs. LP court case.
 

Wavedancer

Upside down?
Staff member
#3
I agree that currently (!) there is no radial full rig sail that is legal.

PS: Is the 'new design' sail with the blue Laser symbol still available?
 
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LaLi

Active Member
#6
"The new sail will be priced at approximaltey $1000.00 + numbers + letters and will eligible to be used at the Nationals this year and all events except ISAF SWC and the games next year...."

Sounds like complete rubbish.
For this to be real, the ILCA would have to make a totally unprecedented decision, one which the ISAF would be highly unlikely to approve. And LP and PSA would have to be friends again. Etc. I don't see any of this happening.

What is NB Sailsports' source?
 

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#8
West Coast sailing in the USA appear to be selling them also, but are marketing them as a training sail and not class legal. My gut feel is that these new sails do not have the laser button on them and they are not class legal and without that, they never will be class legal. However the sail manufacturer has been sitting on a huge number of sails waiting for the Kirby issue to be solved and has now decided to sell this stock and the suppliers are happy to take them off their hands, class legal or not.
 

LaLi

Active Member
#9
Ok, found similar rumours elsewhere... about a legalization date in the very near future, with an exclusion of everything leading to, and including, the Olympics. If this is true, then NB is possibly breaking some secrecy contract, as no other official or semi-official source (such as the ILCA, the builders, or other dealers) is saying anything.

I sure want the new sail, too, but this is not the way to do it. I actually hope it's not true.

West Coast sailing in the USA appear to be selling them also, but are marketing them as a training sail and not class legal. My gut feel is that these new sails do not have the laser button on them and they are not class legal and without that, they never will be class legal.
That's what sailboats.co.uk has been doing as well, since the beginning of this year. The bi-radials they sell have only the LP logo at the tack, and a blue class insignia to distinguish them from the future legal sails.
 

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#10
I was hoping that the blue insignia was actually something to help identify the full rig from the radial and 4.7. From a race officer point of view it would make it easier to identify the 3 rigs by 3 different coloured insignia. I suggested this to Jeff well over a decade ago.
 

LaLi

Active Member
#12
I am in the middle of doing business with sailboats.co.uk and I asked them straight out. They said they've also heard the rumour... and that it's not the first time! Same with the carbon topmast, lots of talk over the years but nothing has materialized.
So there's nothing to see here. At least yet.
 
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LaLi

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#15
Noticed it earlier today.
Damn.
Trying to figure out if this is (as it somehow sounds) an Aussie-only, or more specifically, a PSA-territory thing.
 

torrid

Just sailing
#16
I contacted APS, who then called LP. They were supposed to go public with the info October 1st, but apparently PSA couldn't wait that long. Still some sort of PR game going on I guess. Sounds like LP is still trying to put together a game plan for distribution. Maybe Santy Claus will bring you a crisp new Laser sail for Christmas.

My question is will this new design sail be legal to race with on a Kirby Torch?
 

LaLi

Active Member
#17
Ok, it's official now... will be all over the media soon. (Just checked out yachtsandyachting.com.)
  • Legal, globally, from November 1, 2015
  • Exceptions will be the 2016 Olympics and all qualifying regattas for those games
  • No word on the carbon topmast.
So I was wrong. But it is an exceptional decision, and ISAF probably didn't like it...
 

AlanD

Former ISAF Laser Measurer
#19
I contacted APS, who then called LP. They were supposed to go public with the info October 1st, but apparently PSA couldn't wait that long. Still some sort of PR game going on I guess. Sounds like LP is still trying to put together a game plan for distribution. Maybe Santy Claus will bring you a crisp new Laser sail for Christmas.

My question is will this new design sail be legal to race with on a Kirby Torch?
Remember that for most Australian sailing clubs, we have just started our (summer) sailing season, with our National championships immediately after Xmas and many people would be in the process of purchasing new sails for the season. For most LP customers, October is the end of the season.
 

torrid

Just sailing
#20
Definite thanks go to the ILCA for finally getting this through. The members have been asking for it, and I know Tracy and company have been working on it for years amid....other distractions. I would imagine the term "herding cats" is applicable.

Now that the sail issue is finally settled, it makes me wonder about the status of Kirby's lawsuit. It could be dead, or maybe there was a settlement of sorts reached.
 
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