New Laser daggerboard brake

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by jeffers, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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  2. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    Today I had a phone call with our national main Laserstore at Hamburg. They said, it is available probably from end of November on. So, at the main Laserstore of the UK it's sure sold earlier.

    What I do not understand in the moment, by viewin to the photos: How is the fairlead of the ratchet block is attached to the new brake.
     
  3. gordo

    gordo New Member

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    everyone just listen to one thing. " if you want to get better spend time on the water and go sailing". who cares about this crap. if you can get the board down then good if not then find out how. but spend your time on the water and not wondering how to do things differant.
     
  4. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    That is a bit harsh Gordo.

    A lot of people I know are tired of having to replace the current brake once or twice a year. It is a constant pain in the butt.

    There has been a bit about the release of this in the states but nothing about when it will be available in the UK and Europe (and Aus for that matter).

    I do have problems with mine, I have on every Laser I have owned. It will be nice to be able to chuck the board down and know it is going to stay down.
     
  5. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    gordo, I understand your huff. Some new parts for the Laser seem to be useless or way to expensive. Yes, sometimes I also think in the same way first.

    But, it is everyones own decision what to use on the boat, if the boat is not a club boat. No one is forced to buy new Laser parts and no one is forced to race.

    There are 2 parties here. Those who like to send all that is new to hell and those that decide from Laser part to Laser part, if it is usefull to purchase or not.

    I am in the middle.

    I say: if the new Laserpart is usefull (and really makes life easier on board) and LaserPerformance do not want a "moon price" for a Laser part (unfortunately often they do sell it for moon prices and the elected heads of the ILCA, nothing did or do something against it, than to say only f.e. : "... buy at your local dealer"), I buy.
    Otherwise, I don't buy, as long f.e. the price does not rise down (f.e. for the new blocks here at ILCA Region Europe. They are useful, no question, but LaserPerformance /UK wants, that we Eurpeans should pay much more for those blocks than at other continents).

    Personally, I like modern Lasers AND vintage Lasers.

    Old Lasers ("ochre"-coloured or "Britisch-racing-green"-coloured hull, original wodden tiller with metal joint for the tiller extension, 70 cm originally aluminum tiller extension, metal gudgeons, wooden blades, diameter 10mm white Polyester main sheet, simple rigged single white diameter 6mm polyester lines for the Cunnigham/Outhaul and traveller, black plastic camcleats, no ratchetblock but only the famous small original RWO block for the mainsheet, a small simple rope-loop for the clew to tie down, unpadded black car belt for hikingstrap, no autobailer, original 1:3 Holt vang and an original `71 Elvstroem/Toronto Standard sail without any window) really have a wonderful special flair, absolutely. I guess, you gordo must be such a "hardliner" of the "vintage Laser party" and do sail this exact what I just described, wonderful, otherwise ...

    But to the opposite: I never again want to miss to enjoy ride with a new GXD Laser in a nice force 5 breeze with big waves and current. For me to sail a new Laser, it's definitely much more fun, totally different and easier, than to sail a vintage Laser in such conditions.

    However, gordo, good sailing

    LooserLu
     
  6. Mattcm

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    For me, I like to think about doing things differently when I actually can't get on the water, e.g at night when I'm on this forum. This new brake looks great especially at this price.
     
  7. Sailorchick

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    Once or twice a year! Is that all? Mine gets changed far more frequently than that. This is one of the few new products this year that I have been looking forward to as the existing brake wears out in a matter of weeks for me.
     
  8. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    I don't sail as much as you!.....

    Do you know if Steve is planning on stocking these? I would rather pay my hard earned to him than to Laser Performance.
     
  9. Sailorchick

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    Rooster don't stock many official parts so not sure. They're not stocking the new blocks so I wouldn't expect them to be stocking the new brake. I'll ask though.
     
  10. Beachcomber

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    I know this is politically impossible and fait accompli now, but does anyone else think that the brake should actually go at the leading edge of the centerboard rather where tension in the bungee and drag on the board push it against the trunk?

    Does anyone know what materials the new brake is made out of?
     
  11. starboard73

    starboard73 New Member

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    I picked up a new brake on Saturday and had a look at installing it. There are no instructions on the card, but one of the websites I looked at implies that the old holes are fine and no drilling is needed. On Sunday I unscrewed the old brake and lined up the new one- for the brake to even touch the daggerboard the whole assembly would need to move forward about a half inch, thus out of place for the old holes. I pulled a couple of other Laser daggerboards to see if it was just my daggerboard, but they were the same. I have a 1998 hull and the old brake was mounted there when I bought it. Next time I am at the marina I will pull a 2003 hull to check if the newer boats are different.

    So will we need to drill new holes a little further forward? Has anyone else tried mounting the new brake yet? I held off the install until I heard a little more feedback. Thanks!
     
  12. Eric_R

    Eric_R D10 Secretary

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    Do you have something on the front of the centerboard trunk too? It won't give you a half an inch but it could help out a little.

    I held off putting mine on for now. I might experiment in my garage and see how it fits.
     
  13. gouvernail

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    Screw the original concept of the least possible money to go race in a fleet of identical boats. The America's Teacup Regatta had a $700 maximum price for any singlehanded boat. Even with inflation since 1969 that number is only about $7,000 today.

    Keep adding those racing goodies one at a time and by 2012, when crackpots say the world comes to an end, the on the water price for a compertitive Laser sailor will exceed $10, 000.

    Fact is we may already be there. Add em up::
    carbon tillers
    carbon extensions
    High tech mainsheets
    High teack control lines
    Boots
    Hiking pants
    special life jackets
    super expensive giant old fashioned compasses
    Patented overpriced high tech illegal wind indicators
    Unobtanium lined outhaul slides
    Super spray tops
    special underwear
    adhesive bottomed hiking straps
    Desalinating waterbottles
    idedentify shift by colors goggles
    Coach to competitor ear piece radios


    and don't forget, in North America, we all have to spend another few thousand in the middle of the off season and go sail the world's most expensive sail two days and sit on shore waiting for wind the other three days regatta to be considered as serious competitors.

    Sorry guys, I see the new centerboard brake on the traveling hotshot's boat as one more thing that makes the local weekend sailor who bought a boat that was just like everybody else's and still hasn't bought the fancy new boom blocks more likely to simply give up on trying to have a boat just like that hotshot.

    Those of you who have bottomless sailing wallets are ruing laser sailing.

    Oh yeah.. It's just anpother ten bucks.

    You don't get it.

    But unfortunatly, you are in charge..

    of a shrinking game.

    Gee I wonder why that might be??

    Can you even say inclusive??
     
  14. wessel

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    I have been using my outhaul line to keep my board in the right place, I discovered it by mistake. Just grab a bite of the outhaul and slip in in the slot when you put your board in and your set to go -- legal too.
     
  15. starboard73

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    I am planning to putting a piece of fuzzy velcro on the front of the trunk, but I am sure it won't buy me that much room. Also, the way the holes are drilled for the old brake, there would be no room for adjustability fore and aft, it would be right up against the main block. So I wonder- is the area around the trunk a half an inch in front of the current screws reinforced?

    And as an slightly off topic reply to gouvernail, it's just a little piece of plastic, $15 at that. Will it make my boat faster? Not really, just a little more convenient- I'm sick of my daggerboard popping up on every tack. You don't need to spend $10,000 to have a fast Laser. I have spent less on ALL my Laser gear than a friend of mine who is replacing the sail set on his keelboat- mine is a 1998 and I bought it this year second hand for not too much. It already had a few nice upgrades, like a carbon tiller, etc. but still had the old style vang, which I finally replaced this week after sailing all summer with the old one. Will the new vang make me faster? No, it is just more convenient for me- I was sick of the jam cleat on the old vang. I won my share of races against brand new boats this season, not because I had a carbon tiller but because I sailed a little better. And I was often beat by people in older boats who sailed a little better than me.

    Yeah, once you get up to the top level, some of these little things will make a very slight difference, but it is like that in any endeavour, and the real factor comes down to skill. The weekend hotshot might be hot because they spend a lot of time on the water, not from a piece of plastic. Far from ruining Laser sailing, they are probably the ones most dedicated to it. Weekend sailors like me on my older boat try to watch and learn from the hotshots!
     
  16. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Is this the time I get all upset that the North America and Europe has equipment that isn't available yet in Australia and keep harping on that it will make your boats faster than ours, just like what occurred with the centreboards and rudders which Australia/NZ got first?

    This is one feature that's needed redesigning a long time ago, I'm glad it will soon be available to all.
     
  17. Kratos

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    For the record, I've never had a problem with my daggerboard brake.
     
  18. laser177026

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    I did this, it helped a little, but not much. The front of my trunk was worn out a little, so this could have caused it. But so far, the velcro didn't do anything.
     
  19. Beachcomber

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    Well, Alan, you should. If you want to get as upset about a $15 part as I am about a $400 part (or $1250 US, if you're outside of Australia) it's your prerogative.

    This catalog page http://www.boatlocker.com/home.php?cat=267 is telling. This is the only US vendor I've found for the Aussie daggerboards, and they're able to get away with charging three times the price for something that's supposedly the same.

    As I've said before, if two daggerboards are supposed to be the same, there's a lot more to it than matching the weight and nominal dimensions. To verify the dimensional accuracy, parts should be taken off the assembly line at random and measured with a coordinate measuring machine (CMM). It's not up to a third party to prove that they're different, rather the burden falls on the manufacturer to show that they actually are the same. Otherwise, the pretense that they are equivalent should be dropped, and the class should ensure that manufacturers are available and willing in each region (or a global supply should be ensured) before allowing changes.
     
  20. Merrily

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    And yet I don't do any better with my Aussie blades (that I bought used from Paige Railey a few years ago). :rolleyes:
     

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