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i know this has been posted before but i didn't find it in my search. how do i identifiy the year of my laser?
#13 Laser76489
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Re: Who built my boat
This information is all found in the SN info below. I got this from some previous posts I believe the original author is Allan Broadribb

"THE SERIAL NUMBER:

Check the transom of the boat for the serial number, it'll look something like this! PFS 800000779

The first three characters denote the builder as follows. This is from memory but it's fairly accurate:

PFS - Performance Sailcraft in Montreal. Boats built from about 1971-82

ZFS - Performance Sailcraft in Montreal after they went bankrupt and refinanced. Boats built from about 1982-85.

ZID - Performance Sailcraft in Hawkesbury, Ontario, after they went bankrupt and refinanced again. Boats built from about 1985-89.

PSB - Pearson Small Boats, Portsmouth, Rhode Island, after another bankruptcy by Performance Sailcraft. Boats built from about 1989-91.

SLI - Sunfish Laser Inc., Portsmouth, Rhode Island, after Pearson Yachts and Pearson Small Boats declared bankruptcy. Boats built from about June 1991 - March 1997.

OQT - Vanguard Sailboats Inc., Portsmouth, Rhode Island took over building Lasers and Sunfish from Sunfish Laser.

The next five characters are the sail number, in this case 80000, which was my first Laser. If the first character is a letter than the sail number is over 100,000. A=10, B=11, C=12, etc. followed by the next four numbers.

The last four characters denote the month and year the boat was built.

So now you know how to tell who built the boat, the real sail number and when it was built."
 

enescaylak

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GB PSE LS 0138A0505 is the serial number at he back of my hull but I can't figure out ist's sail number becasu if A=10 lmust be equal to 20 but it isn't possible as you know because its a 2005 hull as I figured out from the serial and also 200,000th boat in't produced yet.ı mtrying to find out what my sail number is because a very clever guy teared out the sticker that shows the sail number
 

49208

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GB PSE LS 0138A0505 is the serial number at he back of my hull but I can't figure out ist's sail number becasu if A=10 lmust be equal to 20 but it isn't possible as you know because its a 2005 hull as I figured out from the serial and also 200,000th boat in't produced yet.ı mtrying to find out what my sail number is because a very clever guy teared out the sticker that shows the sail number

I'm would think that is an "I" not an "L" which would make the sail number
180138 which sounds about right for a '05 model
 

Sailingpj

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I have a question on sort of the same topic. How do you know the sail number if the boat is one of those with the number on the bow. All mine says is 2094.
 

enescaylak

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The next five characters are the sail number, in this case 80000, which was my first Laser. If the first character is a letter than the sail number is over 100,000. A=10, B=11, C=12, etc. followed by the next four numbers.

The last four characters denote the month and year the boat was built.

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He told that these five characters shows the sail number
 

49208

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so a any solution for mine :D
My apoligies, I forgot that PSE does not use the sail number in the Hull Identification Number aka HIN.
You will need to contact LaserPerformance to get the sail number
(They use to have an online tool to input the HIN and get the sail number, but I can't find it since their website redesign)

The LS stands for the model designation, ie Laser, the remaining 4 digits prior to the date code are the serial number (which is not the sail number, but used by LP to relate the sail number assigned to that HIN)
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
Hi, the local Laser dealer, where I usually buy my Laserparts, did told me, the "Hull Identification Number" is not the sailnumber.

It is a sort of production-code that the European Union wants to see on the Hull of the Lasers here at Europe, to exact identify this Product. No one here was able, up to now, to explain me exact the code number (trivial is: "GB PSE LS")

Enes, ask Shevy for more informations, you know how to find him at the Marmara Sea.

Here is a reply of me, related to that theme, with pictures of Lasers of my club and others. At Photo 4 an 6 one views to Hull Identification Numbers . The sail numbers are to find at the stickers at the rear wall of the cockpit. (At old Lasers the sail numbers are to find under the boweye or at the transom between the gudgeons).

http://www.laserforum.org/showpost.php?p=46954&postcount=5


Ciao
LooserLu
 

LooserLu

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I don't have the sticker ....
Enes,
if your Laser is a used Laser, and you got it already without that sticker, you better ask also the former owners. He/she may know what had happened to that sticker. This sticker is very-very important. I am not so sure about it, that PSE is able to say the sailnumber only by knowing the Hull Indentification Number. I pray for you they are able to say it ...
Such a sticker usually never should removed. Several reasons may are possible, that this sticker is away. The "worst case"-reason is: the boat has been stolen before. In reason of this, I urgent give you the advise, to find out the former owners of your boat. One of those pre-owners definitely know, why the sticker is away and the history of your boat and probably the sailnumber. Only if the boat is built BEFORE about ~ 1985, there is no sticker to find (At that times, PSE put a sticker-plate, made out of aluminium, to the rear wall of the cockpit the first time, correct me, if I am wrong). The hull identification number probably first was printed to the hull at ~ 1996/1997 (correct me, if I am wrong).

Enes, if PSE do not answer, try to contact the office of the Turkish Laserclass (or the related office where you live in the moment). Perhaps PSE answers to them, if they ask for you (I would go that way.)

Without that sticker, your Laser probably gets problems with the people that measure your Laser at big events (such as: national championships or european events of the ILCA-Europe Racing series).
This sticker (together with the so called "Measurement Certificate and Record of Origin"-card, that you get from the office of the Turkish Laserclass or the related office where you live in the moment) says to the measurers: Your Laser is a legal Laser (TM).

Good luck

LooserLu
 

enescaylak

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The boat's former owner is the sunsail clubs.It means tahtthe hull was used in an hotel.But someone has taken it out of it it can't be stolen because our club bought 10+ boats from them and all of them has stickers.When I checked the hull numbers they are very close to each other for example mine is LS 138 There is a LS 132 so if they are built in an order the sail numbers must have ther same order so ı can find what my sail number is by comparing the HINs of the boats.Unfortunately there WILL be some problems while attending some importasnt races but I can show them The HIN and the boat might be acceptable.
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
The boat's former owner is the sunsail clubs.It means tahtthe hull was used in an hotel.But someone has taken it out of it it can't be stolen because our club bought 10+ boats from them and all of them has stickers.When I checked the hull numbers they are very close to each other for example mine is LS 138 There is a LS 132 so if they are built in an order the sail numbers must have ther same order so ı can find what my sail number is by comparing the HINs of the boats.Unfortunately there WILL be some problems while attending some importasnt races but I can show them The HIN and the boat might be acceptable.
Enes, that lightens up the history of your Laser a bit.
From an older thread at TLF I remember, about "Sunsail"-Hotels (http://www.sunsail.eu/?oloc=TR&submit=Update+Location). If I would be you, I would ask the manager of the Holiday-resort of Sunsail, where you did get the Laser from (Javelin/Perili/Phokaia). They probably have informations in their "financial-books" about the transaction where/when they did buy the Lasers (for example a copy of the bill from the Lasershop they did bought the boats from). At GER, those "financial books" have to be archived for about 10 years, probably it is the same at Turkey.

I am not sure, but probably with the copy of that bill you are able to investigate the original sailnumber. Probably at the bill one is able to find out informations about the sailnumber related to the hull numbers. If not, probably with a copy of the bill one is able to contact the Laserstore where the Lasers have been bought. They probaly have papers at their financial-archive, that say something about the HIN/Sailnumner.

Definitely you have to contact the Laserclass Assiciation of Turkey to involve them to get new stickers. I have my doubts, they are able to give you new stickers, but they probably are able to give you a exceptional-paper, that permits you to race at major races at Turkey, in reason you definitely have good reasons why there are no stickers of PSE at your Laser. That would be the easiest way.

BTW: I have seen some very nice photos online of racing the Laser at the Bosporus of this summer. Altough I do not understand 1 single word in Turkish language, it seems really, you have a windy area there. :)
Also I there saw, "SG" did race in June...but he only had this result: "DNF/DNS/DNS". I hope he is fine and not had the DNS's in reason he got hurt... Best wishes to him from TLF.

All the best Enes
LooserLu
 

enescaylak

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You are right ,the financial books are archived for years in turkey too(altough sunsail is british they must keep them)But they are using the boats for just enjoying the guests in hotel so they don't need a sail number and I think they don't even cared about the sailnumber or know what it is.So it would be meaningless to ask them.I can't ask the dealer because I don't think that they are buying the boats from turkey dealer.I Think the general managemet of the sunsail clubs buy the boats as a fleet with some spesific riggings like a hyde made sail wich has a sunsail logo on it.
This wekend I'll check all of the HINs and Sail Nos and if I find the same differences between the S.N. and HINs I'll figure out my sail number acoording to the others.
As I remember the turkish laser class ass. manager is the only laser dealer in turkey so he would propably know which boat is legal.A document wich shows that the boat is legal could be enough to attend legally to the important events.

He is not hurt he is okay.The pictures you have seen must be belonging to the Istanbul sailingweek races.I think you know it is a traditional international race that our club organises every year.You can come here bring your own sail and have charter boat to race and also you can accomodate in our club the charter boats and the accomodations are all free(If you come here Ill try my best to give you a good boat here).This year oen of the days was very windy.We have some good wind here.We had a race with him this weekend.The race was ony at saturday.we had a start but the the race was abandoned while we were at the econd upwind leg.I was the second after him (But just 7 radials had start) but the race was delayed to sunday.On sunday he didn't come to club i think he didn't know the race was delayed to sunday.On the first race I was ocs(unfortunately because of my silly desicions and the start line which was paralel to our upwind degree) at the second race I was the firs but it didnt mean anything because of the ocs :S.we have another this weekend and Im looking forward to it :D.
 

Alysum

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what happened to the lasersailing website resource page where you could find out for any sail number when it was made?

I want to know when the 200,000 will start to be made too!
 

enescaylak

New Member
vanguard and performance sailcraft europe got together as laserperformance so they designed a new website and unfortunately there is no page including this information.And also I didn't get any reply to my mail.
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
vanguard and performance sailcraft europe got together as laserperformance so they designed a new website and unfortunately there is no page including this information.And also I didn't get any reply to my mail.
During the LP-website is not to find: Read here for the sailnumber to boat age relationship:
http://www.laserforum.org/determine-age-my-laser-t10002.html
"Horizon"s table and the informations that I found out there, are nearly the same and perhaps do help you a bit.


Ciao
LooserLu
{P.S.: It is definitely a shame that the lame "ILCA-office" at Falmouth/UK is not able to give us such tables as an online information (some of us konw it under the word: "service") for what do we pay for, with our membership fees, unbelievable (...) }
 

ratystast

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Hello, I own a Laser dinghy - sail & ISAF number is 158564 (sticker in cockpit); under the bow eye there is a code: PS E336 and there is no number/code on the transom (or I couldn't find one). It was manufactured by Performance Sailcraft Europe Limited. Is it possible to identify its year of production (is 1996 or 1997 - as states in previous "paperwork") and HIN/CIN number? I need this information to register this boat. I would be very grateful for an answer.
 

LaLi

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Ratystast, your boat is an early 1996, possibly a late 1995. At that time, the PSE boats had no transom codes yet (I think they were introduced in ’99).

What the bow number means, I don’t know. The ones on boats they built from the early 80s through the early 90s were rather inconsistent and undecipherable (such as my own ”LCA060”). Your ”PSE” is of course pretty self-evident, the number less so. It could be even a mould number. I guess you can use it anyway for bureaucratic purposes :D

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