Or the builder is building to tighter tolerances.Looks to me like a dealer is cherry-picking hulls.
Or the builder is building to tighter tolerances.
Sailboats' website says they're still owned by their founders, Tony and Antony Lincoln.Sailboats and LP are owned by the same person I am told by a reliable source...
Sailboats' website says they're still owned by their founders, Tony and Antony Lincoln.
"Sailboats Limited" shows as recently dissolved.I am told companies house tells a different story. If I had the time and inclination I would look it up myself. As I said this came from a reliable source, does not mean it is accurate though.
It is marketing bull worthy of another major UK dinghy company though.
They've deleted all the controversial stuff now! And added, "Note: This is the correct promotion details. All Lasers are strict One Design, produced to one exacting specification worldwide!"I can't find the same add with description on the sailboats.co.uk website. The pages and descriptions on the website seem fine.
Yes, and the boat with the ultimately optimum rake is 212701. The largest numbers in recent international regattas have been in the 207000s. Also, there's no national code "SP". And the background looks like Greenland.
Weird picture. Torrid, where is it from?
BTW, I remember reading somewhere (can't find link) that at the Worlds in Santander they measured all the boats for weight and rake. Results were "secret" though...E
Yes - the picture posted by torrid has St Pierre island and town in the background. Solved!Saint-Pierre and Miquelon is an overseas territory of France near Newfoundland, which is presumably why they are using SP as nationality letters, although perhaps they should have used FRA. Still doesn't explain the high numbers.
Yes. And of all the things on the Z420 ad, the ones that made it to the Laser ad are exactly those that are relevant to the Laser. Had it mentioned "mast ram" or "8:1 jib halyard", no one would question Sailboats' honesty... or incompetence.Funny that the BS ad mentions the two things they were measuring at Santander.
Regarding the weight claim; some years ago when I purchased my Laser, when I arrived (at Northampton Lasers's warehouse place), I considered buying a "bicolour" Laser and discussed the pros and cons with the staff and apparently the bi-colour ones are slightly heavier as they use/need a little additional glass/gel inside to maintain strength (only repeating what I was told, not claiming and special knowledge).Interesting (to put it mildly) offer from the official UK dealer for LP: http://www.sailboats.co.uk/festive-red-coloured-christmas-lasers
Check out some of the "Details"...
> Lighter weight hull
> Optimum mast rake - decided by the top sailors
> Selden spars
What is going on? Is this a joke? (I hope it is.)
(Might someone in the UK call "Dan" and ask...?)
- 127 lb hull in perfect condition. Bone dry. No leaks.
- Mast rake at 12'6" (as measured with a borrowed full rig bottom section)
I was the builder of Laser from 1991-1997 and supplied the Lasers to the 1996 Olympic Games. I sold Sunfish-Laser to Vanguard in 1997. That is all ancient history, but as a former builder, I can offer unique insights into what makes a great Laser. This is a great Laser. We inspected, weighed and measured over 25 new boats before deciding on this one. It has a nice bottom, perfect rake, and the lightest weight I have seen since I built Lasers.
This sounds a little strange. My hull is bi-coloured, and the colours definitely overlap below the waterline (you can see it from deep-enough scratches). One would think there is more gelcoat altogether, which would raise the weight by a probably insignificant amount. I see no reason though why there should be more glass and resin as well.... some years ago when I purchased my Laser, when I arrived (at Northampton Lasers's warehouse place), I considered buying a "bicolour" Laser and discussed the pros and cons with the staff and apparently the bi-colour ones are slightly heavier as they use/need a little additional glass/gel inside to maintain strength (only repeating what I was told, not claiming and special knowledge).
This in turn sounds bad. I wonder if Mr Johnstone would answer a few questions in that thread.