Even the Laser is not immune

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The IOC removes the Tornado Class from Olympic Competition, so whats next? Does the Laser's 30yr old design stand the test to remain in favor, or will something replace it too? To say the Multihull Class is incensed about this decision is an understatement. As for me, a long time multihull racer, I am also pissed, but as my Laser roots grow, an my love for the boat increases, I realize that that the ISAF doesnt care, they are a money making orginization, dont let the "not for profit" thing throw you, and if you are sending them money(via Laser, or US Sailing), you better ask you get in return. You better start asking what the ILCA is doing with your money, and what they are doing to protect the Laser from the ISAF and IOC, because we(Laser) seriously could be next.

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Ross B

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you do know that a class HAD to be given up to reduce athlete count, as demanded by the IOC
 
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At this stage the Laser is not even gauranteed for 2012. They have only said that there will be an open singlehander. This means it COULD be Laser, it could also be foiling Moths, or even something like the RS700 or Musto Skiff. Even though they decided against a womens skiff, the 29er XX is still in with a shot, they only have to prove to be better than the 470 (and any other challengers).
The IOC wanted keelboats dropped, they even issued a statement back in '02 saying that! ISaF chose to ignore the IOC then, and again now. Seriously, the ISaF committee need a wake up call, maybe the threat of not being included at all in 2016 might stir them into action!!
 
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Ross, its all a scam, sailing is not the viewer friendly sport . Vs. TV and the internet has given us a boost, but even that can only get us so far, people just dont understand the rules, or the sport. The IOC added darts as a demonstration sport, you know get rid of the sailors, and add the true atheletes....
 

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They keep dropping traditional Olympic sports in favor of bimbo beach volleyball and similar events to draw in TV viewers.
 
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it could also be foiling Moths, or even something like the RS700 or Musto Skiff.
none of those will be chosen as they are not used by the mass, and do not have international status

Edit: actually, think the RS700 is the only of those to not have International Status, but either way, it has to have MASSIVE world wide appeal to become Olympic class, or be created especially for the Olympics
 
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It has nothing to do with what's beeing used by the mass or what has international status.
IOC wants TV-minutes and sailing can't really provide that, cause seriously, it ain't fun to watch sailing on TV (especialy fleetracing which is what we're usualy doing).

I don't really have an answer for what to do about it though, I think it takes a fundamental change in attiude from the IOC.
 
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I don't really have an answer for what to do about it though, I think it takes a fundamental change in attiude from the IOC.
It may take a fundamental change in attitude of the general western world.

e.g. Motorcycle racing is quite boring. But if you have actually done it yourself, you see much more in footage than the average individual. Same thing applies to sailing, I guess.

not sure how you're going to make sailing more popular in the western world though... since the overall aim seems to be to get as many people as you can to live in a city where it's too dangerous to go outside, and the city is 500km from the sea.
 
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Same thing applies to sailing, I guess.
In the case of fleetracing, I really don't enjoy watching it on TV and I don't know anyone who does =P
Matchracing can be quite ok but there are still quite a few sports I find more entertaining.
 
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The IOC removes the Tornado Class from Olympic Competition, so whats next? Does the Laser's 30yr old design stand the test to remain in favor, or will something replace it too? To say the Multihull Class is incensed about this decision is an understatement. As for me, a long time multihull racer, I am also pissed, but as my Laser roots grow, an my love for the boat increases, I realize that that the ISAF doesnt care, they are a money making orginization, dont let the "not for profit" thing throw you, and if you are sending them money(via Laser, or US Sailing), you better ask you get in return. You better start asking what the ILCA is doing with your money, and what they are doing to protect the Laser from the ISAF and IOC, because we(Laser) seriously could be next.

http://www.stanschreyer.com/

The thing is, I don't think it would hurt the Laser class if the Laser were dropped from the Olympics. The class was already the strongest one design class in the world before it was picked to be an Olympic class in 1996. Olympic sailing really only affects and drives a tiny percentage of Laser sailors. Yes, there is some trickle down of gear from the top sailors that might be reduced if the Laser wasn't in the Olympics, but that is a minor thing.
The Laser class will be alive and well with out without the Olympics. I don't think the same is true of some of the other Olympic classes.
 
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The class was already the strongest one design class in the world before it was picked to be an Olympic class in 1996.
Always thought that was the Opti or Sunfish, could be wrong though. But from what I hear is pretty close between the three of em
 
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Always thought that was the Opti or Sunfish, could be wrong though. But from what I hear is pretty close between the three of em
By strongest class, I am not just referring to sheer numbers of boats. I am referring to a combination of number of competitors and quality of competition.
 
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Ross B

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ahhh

Opti's are still pretty big, they get regattas just as large, if not larger than Lasers, but I'm with ya
 
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and why not? all the best sailors have raced them.
My original comment was that Lasers were: "already the strongest one design class in the world before it was picked to be an Olympic class in 1996." To comply with Rossums obsession with complete accuracy, I now amend my previous post to read:

The thing is, I don't think it would hurt the Laser class if the Laser were dropped from the Olympics. The class was already the strongest one design class FOR HUMANS OVER THE AGE OF 15 in the world before it was picked to be an Olympic class in 1996. Olympic sailing really only affects and drives a tiny percentage of Laser sailors. Yes, there is some trickle down of gear from the top sailors that might be reduced if the Laser wasn't in the Olympics, but that is a minor thing.
The Laser class will be alive and well with or without the Olympics. I don't think the same is true of some of the other Olympic classes.
 
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Awesome

you gotta be specific, other how are people gonna know? lol

my work here is done, so far....
 
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The thing is, I don't think it would hurt the Laser class if the Laser were dropped from the Olympics. The class was already the strongest one design class in the world before it was picked to be an Olympic class in 1996. Olympic sailing really only affects and drives a tiny percentage of Laser sailors. Yes, there is some trickle down of gear from the top sailors that might be reduced if the Laser wasn't in the Olympics, but that is a minor thing.
The Laser class will be alive and well with out without the Olympics. I don't think the same is true of some of the other Olympic classes.
I couldn't agree more. I sailed 5o5s in the 80s when the class was particulatry popular and strong internationally. We perceived at the time we were being courted for consideration for Olympic status. The class always resisted the call as the rank and file didn't want to face the escalating costs that we all beleived would follow from the gear developing arms race. Much as I complain about the cost of replacement sails, I appreciate that the strict one design of the Laser more or less insulates the class from this danger. I still feel that if I come up against Mr Cambell at a regatta, he won't be beating me because he has superior equipment.

Incidentally Ros good to see you back. We all just love your strong and unsurported opinion - still on course for 2012?
 
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