Strumolo said:i was up at my local shop last night and the new rudder was like $192. it seemed to be a little bit lighter than the wooden ones.
Strumolo said:i was up at my local shop last night and the new rudder was like $192. it seemed to be a little bit lighter than the wooden ones.
mike4947 said:Since vanguard's promo blurb says the new plastic fantastic rudder blade duplicates the original wood blade my questions are:
What's happening with the class development of a "new" rudder blade?
Can the new plastic one be modified like the original wood ones or is it a no touch part like the palstic daggerboard? If it's a duplicate and no touch then racers will be keeping the wood ones so they can still modify.
JMHO, but someone dropped the ball on this. Either Vanguard or the class or both.
mike4947 said:IMHO, but someone dropped the ball on this. Either Vanguard or the class or both.
Old Geezer said:Nobody has told us that the class rules have changed. And the class rules permit us to modify the rudder. So it must be legal to modify the new rudder too. I'm going to paint mine with a wood grain finish!
Gail said:Bad news there buddy. First you'll have to incur damage on that new blade. You can't put a finish on it unless you are repairing it.
Old Geezer said:I respectfully disagree. The current ISCA rules say "nothing herein shall preclude minor adjustments to the rudder by way of sharpening the trailing edge, rounding the leading edge, refinishing or repairing damage provided that the rudder has dimensions in accordance with the measurement diagram in Rule 5 Figures 2 & 5. Refinishing may include covering the rudder with fiberglass and/or resin."
They specifically allow changing the profile of leading and trailing edges and refinishing without a requirement that the rudder be damaged first. Even if there were such a requirement how do you think it could it be enforced?
Unless of course this rule has been changed at some secret meeting in Martinique that nobody will publish minutes for?
Gail said:If folks want to get really crazed over it, people with the new blades will likely be told to leave them home (or in their car and to buy/borrow a woodie), and that the published rules fully stand
Gail said:This blade is built to the maximum dimensions of the current rudder, saving clods like me from having to try to build a woodie up myself.
Chip Johns said:I was at both the Advisory Council mtg and the World Council mtg in Martinique.
The WC was overwhelmingly negative about changing the rudder design (the minutes will reflect the votes) and overwhelmingly supported the new fiberglass version of the existing shape.
Chip Johns
Builders rep to the AD and WC
joannek said:I found this wording under the 2004 WC minutes linked on the Class website. This is from the October 2003 WC meeting. Maybe this will help answer the question on being able to modify the plastic rudder? (Sounds like this has been in the works for awhile??? I don't know, I have been a bit out if the rules loop and have not been keeping up with the changes.)
Anyway...here is what I found.
"A motion was made and seconded to accept the Advisory Council position on allowing you to adjust the plastic rudder to equal what we can do with the wooden rudder. The motion passed. Todd Edwards will supply the rule wording."
beldar boathead said:This topic seems to be getting boring. Anybody else bored?