To Furl or Not to Furl

Discussion in 'Capri/Catalina 14 Talk' started by Utah Sail, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. gregwcoats

    gregwcoats Member

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    Obviously it will work either way, since I have been doing it with the jib rolled up and the furling line unrolled after stepping the mast for almost two years now. But I can see how the other way would work just as well. My point to the new owner was that having the jib rolled up with the line rolled into the drum at the same time just will not work. I have thought for a long time about storing my jib as you do, I do not like folding the jib to place it in my sail bag, folding the forstay cannot be good for it.
     
  2. MFerring

    MFerring New Member

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    Len's Furler

    Len, it sounds as if you're using it incorrectly. When the sail is deployed, the "can" should be filled with line; when the sail is furled, the can is nearly empty.

    Mike

     
  3. rkrebill

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    Furler?

    Len: Since the C14.2 gives easy access to the jib without leaving the cockpit, I fail to see much advantage for me in furling.

    And re/Utah Sail, its easy to run a small downhaul line attached to the shackle at the head of the sail, down thru the hanks, then thru the shackle at the tack and tie it back to the mast as you are putting up the jib. Then if you think you want to douse the jib when wind picks up, you can pull the jib down easily after releasing the jib halyard.

    I guess one could argue that in strong wind, you point a little higher and tack easier with a small jib as a furler allows. A reefing mainsail works pretty well, but mostly if you reef before you leave shore. Its easy to shake out the reef while sailing, but difficult to reef when the wind blows well.

    RK
     
  4. MFerring

    MFerring New Member

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    Agree

    I agree with Dick, errr, Mr. Krebill, but to each his own. Some people love furlers, but the C14's jib is so small that it would seem you'd get better performance, lower cost, and better sail care by using the hanked-on jib. Save the furler system for your big furniture boat.
     
  5. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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  6. regularman

    regularman New Member

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    I guess it depends on where you sail. Here in the south a quick moving thunderstorm can make things get very hectic very fast, easier to just roll that one up and fight the main'sl alone and try and stay upright. I even put jiffy reefing in my main to use if it looks like things are going to be rough. I know it really quietens the screaming from the crew ;)
     
  7. fan

    fan Member

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    My condolences on the "screaming from the crew".:eek: Both ideas, roller or douse work to quickly reduce sail, roller being cleaner. If you see the dark clouds coming , you know there's wind in front of it, so respond accordingly.
     
  8. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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    Money saving furler

    It's a bear to drop the jib when it blows. Getting to the bow to unhank while wind is blowing at 25 mph is not a joy. There is no amount of speed you can gain from a hank on that you cannot gain from a furle on jib. Don't let the purists dissuade you.

    paste this link and check these out. They are also sold under Harken Brand.

    http://shop.sailnet.com/index.php?manufacturer=Barton Marine&level=1&sub_category=Furling Systems|jibfurlingsystems.jpg

    It will save you a couple o hunnerd..
     
  9. fan

    fan Member

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    Solarfry,
    No one(purist?) is trying to dissuade anyone here, just giving options . Dropping the jib on deck is no hard task for most sailors and doesn't require unfastening the jib from the fore stay. Rollers are fine for day sailing/ cruising but its not the only solution. But hey , its easy for you to spend someone Else's cash, isn't it?

    I do have a furler on my Catalina 30 and I love it for non racing fun.
     
  10. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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    Roller Furler update

    I had a Barton Roller furler I purchased for $60.00. I just bought a new sail and Harken furler from my dealer and the Barton furler is exactly the same as the Harken furler. That leads me to believe that Harken buys them from Barton and resells them in the US. The Barton is mainly sold in the UK.

    Just a note: They sell the Barton furlers at SailNet.com now.
     
  11. Mrbillyd

    Mrbillyd New Member

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    Converting to a furling system

    Hello,
    I am looking to convert a mod 3 to a furling system. I have been over about 3 times in 6 outings. Looking on page 17 of the manual, it looks like I need a 15 inch pennant as well..
    The shroud adjuster I can use the one currently used on the bottom.
    The only thing I am iffy on is the wire in my jib. Can a stock sail handle the load.
    Here is a pic of my wire in the sail. It looks like its up for the job.
    How much does the sailrite reefing kit cost, and where can one get it professionally installed?
    I am in Arizona. I need to be able to calm the boat down when I have my wife and 6 year olds in the boat.
    As for me I am going out in strong winds today with a bud, and we should be on the edge with our current skill level. Not to concerned when it's only me and a friend and its over 90 deg.


    Bill
     

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  12. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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    Barton(UK) Roller Furler for small sailboats jib.

    Defender has a Barton Roller furler kit for 95 bucks that is identical to the Harken one. I believe Barton is the OEM for Harken. Check it out.

    If you want to go do it all from scratch. the upper swivel is an anchor chain swivel. You can use any PVC to build the Drum. However, I recommend the Barton unit as a cheaper alternative.

    I purchased a Harken from boat dealer and it is identical to the Barton, except it cost me a bundle more. The forestay is replaced by a wire from foot of sail to head that atttaches to the drum and roller. Simple to do.
     
  13. Mrbillyd

    Mrbillyd New Member

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    Cool

    I was about to pull the trigger.
    I will look into the barton unit, I love half price.

    Bill
     
  14. Mrbillyd

    Mrbillyd New Member

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    Barton seems

    very hard to find in the US. I don't see it at defender, but I did find a link to the distributor so I will try to call it to see if the number is still good. Maybe harken chased them out of the US.

    Bill
     
  15. Mrbillyd

    Mrbillyd New Member

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    Found it

    at www.marine.com. They are in Ct and they have the drum 42334 for $67 and the swivel for $42.

    [​IMG]

    bill
     
  16. MFerring

    MFerring New Member

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    Bill, as you can see from the discussion thread, some of us don't see the benefit of a furling jib on this boat, least of all on Tempe Town Lake. Did you know we have a large fleet of C14s on the lake? We're part of the Arizona Yacht Club and you can find out more about us at www.arizonayachtclub.org. We're a very active club with education, racing, social, etc. Try us out!
    Mike
     
  17. Mrbillyd

    Mrbillyd New Member

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    Yes

    I am aware of the fleet and I am with you on not needing a furling rig at TT lake 90% of the time.
    Yesterday all those fleet boats were not in use and the winds were 15mph avg with burst of 25mph.
    So, in my situation (skill level and family) a furler allows me more flexibility. It makes single handling the boat nicer, it allows me to go and practice in high winds, and allows me to calm the boat down with 6 year old twins. :)

    I would also like have the ability to put a reef in my main sail for flexibility at lake Pleasant.

    In the future I plan on buying a set of racing sails, so then I have two sets. :D

    I do plan on racing and joining the club in the near future

    So, I will see you around

    Bill
     
  18. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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    Roller rurler

    They sell it at Defender but is hard to find. I will check. I lost the link..

    If you keep you boat with mast up, once you've had a roller furler you will not go back to hank-ons. When it gets windy it is so much easier to furl the jib than fight it..

    You will love it.
     
  19. Solarfry

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    Barton Furlers Search

    http://www.reliancemarine.com/Basket.aspx

    http://www.reliancemarine.com/category/29/Sail-Control/view.aspx

    I had a link to it at Defender.com but cannot find it.

    You can order it from the UK. The current exchange rate is about $1.30 per UK# or Euro. It is the Harken furler and that might be the reason we cannot find it at a local supplier. Harken might have complained to their OEM. The price is around 90 bucks for the furler and swivel. I had one and sold it on eBAY. You have to order the two pieces separately. I could swear I had a discussin in this group a few years ago and posted the link but cannot find it.
     
  20. Solarfry

    Solarfry Member

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    Thas da one!

    That's the one. You have to get the swivel for it also. they sell two pcs seprate.
     

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