Restricted Entry to Masters World Champs

Discussion in 'Laser Class Politics' started by Grant_in_Qtown, May 11, 2008.

  1. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    Whoa! did the font get smaller or do I really really need glasses?

    Sorry for mis-phrasing... I used the term "their side" to mean the global ILCA system for allocating berths to the master's worlds, as opposed to "our side" meaning ILCA-NA region. In the end, the goal is to get as many of "us" into the available space in "our" event. And that is everyone's goal.
     
  2. Bradley

    Bradley Administrator Staff Member

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    It did, but has since been corrected!
     
  3. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    I could have pointed out that Tracy was one of "them" in his own posting.
    He isn't. He's one of us. Way too few of the rest of you ever do a damn thing to share our game's necessary management chores.
    He's one fellow who has only one allocated lifetime to spend on his sailing hobby.
    He has been doing way more than his share of the management of the game for at last ten years while most of you have never even run your local show for a weekend.

    Running the Laser sailing game is like picking up your socks or washing the dishes, somebody has to do it and most of you act as though you are spoiled brats and Tracy and Sherri are your doting parents.
    if you sail for ten years, you damn sure ought to be fleet captain for one of those years or you are just a being a spoiled little brat. If teh fleet is so big you cannort get a gturn as captain, you need to run races, run regattas, teach new sailors, be a District secretary, be a National officer or be an international officer....or you can just be a leech.
    The fact we have stuck one guy with a job 2000 of us should be doihjng a part of, shows just how selfish and lazy teh rest of you are.
    I rferally don't give a rats patootie if this is a thread hijack. Once in a while somebody has to remind you, the game is only as good as we make it and those of you who contribnute nothing drag the rest of us down with you.
    Go get involved.

    and...No throwing out anybody who is already involved...There are plenty of jobs to go around.
    If you can't find a job?? Invent one.
     
  4. dredies

    dredies Member

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    I have no problem with the allocations, and I have no problem with Canadians being limited to the number of entries in their own country. But there are zero (0) spots allocated to Canada!!! WTF??? I realize that spots will open up if countries don't use up all of their allocations, but why the hell wouldn't the host nation have spots allocated the same as any other? Now those of us from Canada won't even have anything near a confirmed spot until after July 24 when the extra spots are allocated. This might be fine for the people in the eastern half of the country, but for those of us on the west coast it doesn't leave much flexibility for booking plane tickets and accomodations. It's just as far for me to come as sailors from the UK, Spain, Caribbean, Brazil, etc. so why do we get stuck waiting???
     
  5. SFBayLaser

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    I don't know why ILCA chose to display it they way they did but in the initial allocation (remember, 350 available spots divided by some 85 countries with enough members to have at least one berth) the North American Region (Canada and the US) gets 35 spots. The entries are time ordered, so the first 35 between both countries are "in", the rest on both lists should all get in on the re-allocation rounds.

    As I recall, within 48 hours of the opening of registration for Terrigal (there was no "application" period for that event) the entry limit had been reached with some 80% of the entries from Australia. At least this new system lets the rest of the world have a shot at entries before filling out the event with sailors from the host region!

    Also, note that if the total limit of 350 is not reached before November 13 (the end of the "application" period) then, if I understand the system correctly, everyone on the application lists, regardless of country, is "in."

    Finally, let's not forget that traditionally the host region has always been some 1/2 to 2/3 of the entries. So, have faith that if the entries go over the limit we'll still get a very large number of people into the event.

    Having said all of this, if you want to go then please go through the "application for entry" process before November 13!
     
  6. dredies

    dredies Member

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    If the 35 entries are split between Canada and the US that's all fine, but then it would have made more sense to show them together. As it stands, there are 188 entries already and it's still the opening day of registration in my time zone. 94 applications are in for Canada and the US combined, so I will be very curious to see how this shakes down over the next few weeks (or days):D.
     
  7. johnde

    johnde New Member

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    What Tracy did not mention was that it was ILCA who messed up the Terrigal entry. The Australian Laser class requested ILCA to limit Australian entries but the ILCA President directed that ILCA not limit entries (as I was told by the Australian organisers). What we have now IMHO is an over reaction by ILCA to a mess it created itself.:mad:

    You should also be aware that the Canada USA application lists will be combined in order of application date/time and the 35 spots are for the whole of NA Region at the moment. I would suggest the odds of getting an entry are good but almost zero for getting a charter boat. :(
     
  8. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Hmmm. I got mine in yesterday. Wonder if I made the top 35?
     
  9. johnde

    johnde New Member

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    Doubtful as applications actually started around Midnight UK time on Sept 15. The 35 spots were probably taken on Sept 14. I got on line at 5:05 pm MDT and was the second Canadian on the Canada list.
     
  10. ncusdan

    ncusdan New Member

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    Rob,

    You can check where you are in the entry order by clicking on Application List and then expand the US section on the same web page where you signed up.
     
  11. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Thanks. I'm sitting in 63rd. We'll see...........
     
  12. TonyB

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    I applied within 30 minutes of the application form being released, and I was already 12th Australian. You have to be quick!

    But the way things are looking now, I suspect almost everyone will get a spot in the first allocation and ultimately everyone who applies before the closing date in November will get to go. The early rush for entries has finished, and there'll probably just be a steady trickle of applications from now until the closing date in November. It looks like the overall subscription will be under 400 and a decent number of those won't take up their entry when it comes time to actually pay up.
     
  13. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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  14. dredies

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    The site now shows Canada and US applications combined under the heading "North America" which at least removes some of the confusion, and gives a clearer idea as to your chances of getting a spot.

    As far as charter boats go, the web site states that "Charter boats will be offered to sailors with an entry, based on distance from the venue with extra consideration made for sea crossings. Charter boats will not be issued to sailors from North America until after 2 March 2009." Hard to say how many charter boats will be available, but this seems reasonable enough. I will concede that it's probably easier to get a container sent 5000 + miles by rail rather than by sea.
     
  15. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    First 35 are in??

    What happened to the NA masters Allocation system for the 2009 Worlds??

    If we are going to give our spaces according to a merit system, why would we have the first 35 spots go to the first 35 who hapened to register on the first day of teh registration period...which closes months and months before the actual event??.

    Let's simply look at everybody who registers before the deadline and then allocate those spaces properly.

    Isn't thast what the NA Laser site says we are planning to do with our limited spaces?
     
  16. dredies

    dredies Member

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    If I understand the qualifications correctly, the first 35 who meet the criteria are in.
     
  17. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    Yes, that is correct.
     
  18. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    Have a fun regatta.
     
  19. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    My compliments to the North American Laser Class management for creating such a well thought out system....

    Yeah right.

    Basically, those 35 who registered earliest on the first day, regardless of their skills, get to fill North America's limited positions. .

    The wonderful system set up for allocating North American's limited 35 places has a number of great features. Here are a few:

    1. 35 year olds are not allowed to enter. Anyone who is 35 this year cannot possibly get a spot as previous Masters racing experience is a criteria.

    2. Our champions are being given no special consideration. The following sailors have applied but are not among the first 35 North American Registrants and, despite their credentials, may not be given a space for the 2009 event.

    Past World Champions: Doug Peckover, Peter Seidenberg, Mark Bear, Henry De Wolfe,

    Recent North American Champions division or overall:
    Peckover, Bear, De Wolfe, Bear, Eric Faust, Fred Schroth, Scott Young, Chris Raab, Alden Shattuck

    3. The registration "period" is a misleading name for a few minutes followed by a few weeks of essentially closed registration. There are over 160 almost certainly qualified applicants ahead of anyone who has not yet registered or who is waiting for his number from the ISAF ( I still have not received my ISAF confirmation but I did successfully browse their incoming database and find what my number will be when it is eventually issued or I still would not ahve been allowed to register my application)


    Seriously. What sort of fruitcake logic allowed the NA Class "management" to set up a system where the current two time North American Chamnpion not only fails to receive an automatic berth but...unless he manages to be at a computer in the first two hours of the advertised two month long registration period, will not be invited to represent North America at the worlds?
     
  20. Rob B

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    OK. I'll ask....

    Fred, you make a strong point. While I want to sail the Worlds I understand there are a LOT of US Master sailors that rank way higher than I do and there is a possibility that many of them may not be able to compete because they were not gluded to their computer in the wee hours on the morning.

    So, other than making the event unlimited to the number of entires how would you propose they handle the entry system? Strictly on rank alone? If so, how long do you hold spots for the higher ranked sailors? or do you bump lower ranked sailors as higher ranked ones sign up? If you go that route what kind of registration deadlines do you impose?
     

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