Most spectacular capsize?!

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  1. radial179102

    radial179102 New Member

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    Any stories/pics/vids??
     
  2. computeroman2

    computeroman2 Member

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    Re: Most spectacular capsise?!

    Well my story isn't technically a capsize, but it was pretty amazing.

    so, it was last october, a regional qualifier race. It was probably between 20-25 kts, no good surfing waves but 1+ feet of chop going exactly the wrong way upwind, and only about 40 F. I, being the person I am, assumed the sun would stay out and somehow ended up out there with shorts and a spray top, but that's another story (it was 65 and light when I left!)

    so at any rate, I was stiff as a board, trying to survive upwind so that I could get to my quota of deathrolls for the race before I retired, and I got hit by a sharp gust. I didn't compensate for it enough, and I was holding on by a thread. the masthead was less than a foot off the water (but not touching it!) and as I looked back to try and get more weight out, I saw that the daggerboard was completely out of the water! Then just as I thought I would lose it, the gust died off and i pulled it back.

    I've spent entire windless days trying to do that unsucessfully, but that was an absolutely amazing experience.
     
  3. sailor327

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    Re: Most spectacular capsise?!

    i have so many of those. It seems like im the only one who can do them where i sail.
     
  4. sorosz

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    I particularly remember one from a few years ago that I wish someone had caught on video.

    It was in Marina del Rey, Ca. which is usually a very light air place (8-10 knots average) but every so often a storm will blow through and the wind will crank up to the 20s and even 30s. It was on one of those days that a friend and I went out on our Lasers and were bombing around for awhile having a great time.

    While we had a number of capsizes over the course of the afternoon, the most spectacular one of the day was as we were heading back in. The wind was blowing straight down the channel so we were on a dead run but it was a little squirrely and gusty.

    I got hit by a gust and a shift and started to deathroll. As it was happening I felt like I could jump on the daggerboard and dry roll it so as the mast was tipping one way I was diving the other way. I made it about half way when the mast head hit the water and the boat decelerated rapidly. There I was with the boat on its side and me in Superman flight position with only the chest of my PFD balanced on the rail of the boat, basically perpendicular to the deck and horizontal to the water. Although the boat stopped, much to my surprise I didn't and skidded sideways (still in Superman flight position) along the gunn'l and off the bow and landed in the water a good 10-15 feet in front of the boat. Which was fortunate since the boat was still sailing along on its side with the boom up in the air and quickly caught up with me. The expression on the face of the fishermen who were passing me just as this happened was absolutely priceless.

    I was laughing so hard I almost had trouble righting the boat and climbing back in. I still chuckle when I think about it.

    -Steve
    On good old #88305 at the time. . .
     
  5. WestCoast

    WestCoast New Member

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    Re: Most spectacular capsise?!

    the first in the laser, I was pumped, but it was breezy.

    So I'm nervous. Gusting to 20kts, maybe 22kts. I'm 130lbs in the full rig.

    Upwind, I'm doing ok, hiking as hard as I can, vang on way tight, near the back, but feeling ok, first regatta in tthe boat.


    Getting to the windward mark, I'd never really known how the boat wanted to be set up in breeze, I so figure, leave vang on, keep board down most of the way........

    Turn the corner, boat is so loaded up, try to hike it flat around, boat starts to round up, I loose it, tiller extension in face, sort of get it back, boat takes off, I'm holding on. All confused why the boat is so power and squirly.

    Get... I dunno, maybe 3 lengths from the mark, I'm reach into to ease controls, not hiking, puff on.

    I blink


    I'm in the water, holding the bow of the boat with my arms, kinda of stunned and confused. How the heck did I get up here?

    What direction is my boat facing? Mast still in one piece?


    Ok.

    Get back on, 'come on George, get it together, this isn't rocket science'

    Now I'm cold, a little mad at myself, trying to be conservative nad not hiking hard at all. Puff on, board down, vang cranked on still, ...ooooofh, up and over.


    I remember the end of the day, in the parking lot looking at my bent top section saying what a stupid boat this is, this thing is dangerous!

    Years later, here I am, still in love with the first boat that almost tried to kill me downwind. When big air comes in, and I'm in the full rig (same weight to this day) I still think about that in the back of my head, and try to have it motivate me to go faster. :)
     
  6. MasterMike

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    NOT spectacular, but in my first race last summer I spun as I was changing sides, got my foot caught in the sheet, and went over the side head first. Didn't touch a thing, just a dive. Felt like an idiot, swam after the boat and grabbed the travelor to keep it from going over, climbed back in, and kept going on the same tack. Nobody even saw it! But now you know...oop.
     
  7. Dennis

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    The attached photo happened in a pretty straightforward fashion.
    It was blowing over 30 on Tomales Bay, and a couple of us decided not to rig.
    George, however, was new to the boat and fearless, so I set up a tripod and telephoto lens and caught him rolling the boat end over end on his first attempt at heading downwind. His centerboard was ejected and lost, and he and his wreck were hauled in by a stout power fishing boat. He thought he had capsized several times, but in fact it was just one long wreck....

    Dennis Olson
    Tomales Bay, CA
     

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  8. Skipper Johnson

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    Gday

    Can you tell when the wind is blowing how the vang should be set for control please?
     
  9. kwilson

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    There are so many... where to start.. :)


    -K
     
  10. Sarah B

    Sarah B New Member

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    My first venture in 25-30kt winds was Hyeres (France) last year (I managed to forward catapult and wrapped myself around my mast - ouch!).

    One thing I learnt was not to let too much kicker off down wind and stay reasonably sheeted in as the leech is probably blown quite forward anyway, so you don't need to let the sheet out so much.

    The top girls suggested I was too unstable with the kicker let off and probably letting too much sheet out, hence the conclusion was when I was bearing off from the reach to the run I was not really letting any kicker out.

    I hope this makes some sense!! And basically lock yourself in with your toestrap weight back and hold on tight!
     
  11. computeroman2

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    Another thing to do is when it's really windy, off the wind you MUST have your hiking strap as tight as possible so that you're locked into the boat. I personally havent' designed a system to make it long for upwind and tight for offwind, but i'm sure it's easy.
     
  12. laser2_9804

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    There have been plenty of spectacular capsizes.

    I had my first solo venture in a laser last weekend (I usually sail a laser 2 and other double-handed boats) which was good fun. I managed to tip it in to windward because of getting hit by a gust just as I was bearing up from a run to a reach. I don't think it was very spectacular though and no-one saw it.

    My most spectacular capsize was in my laser 2. We were racing out on the bay, in about 20-25 knots. We were on a shy reach with the kite up and my crew out on the wire. We ended up getting a huge gust and powering up underneath a slower boat, but fairly close to them. As we came into their windshadow we were screaming along, planing with huge bow-waves (awesome!) Anyway, my crew wasn't quick enough in off the wire and we just went 'splat' straight in to windward, right next to this other boat.l

    The people in the other boat said it looked pretty funny. They were sitting there watching this planing boat screaming up to them and then next thing we're swimming, the mast has nearly hit their boat and the kite is in one hell of a mess.

    That was pretty interesting at the time and is pretty funny now. :D
     
  13. Georg W.F.

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    Once, during a deathroll I managed to jump immediately on the board. I righted the boat and jumped accross to the other side in order to prevent another deathroll. I was prepared for another capsize, but somehow I balanced the boat while it was violently rocking. In the meantime the boat generated a lot of speed. I was happy when I did not capsize again, but what made me even happier was that I had not lost any ground: When I finely had the boat under control again, I was next to the same boat that I lined up with during the capsize.
     
  14. jfran

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    :D Hello, it's my first post on this forum
    I started Laser siling last summer,

    I had a capsise that still hunt me to this day:D

    I was out by 15 knots, wen i was sudenlly it by a gust of wind, like everytime , i capsise, I 'am 126 lbs on a full rig !!

    I spent the next 45 min trig to get the boat upright, din't do it,
    then the boom got of, so everytime i put the boat upright it cought up in the wind and capsise again!!!:mad: :mad:
    so i had to toe the boats back to shore while swiming!!!!!(I was about 200 ft. from shore):eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

    I really was traumatise by it:eek: I just could go out in a laser for a couples of weeks.


    Now looking back i laugh at myself!!:D :D
     
  15. stevo_sails_up

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    All you guys have some crazy racing capsizes, I haven't gotten a chance to race the boat yet as i just got my first laser a week before I left for school last summer. Anyway I get this boat for the first time and I sort of played around with it for a week, first time I went out I felt it was quite dangerous as someone was saying but I'm a little nuts and it just made me want to kick its @$$. Anyway, this one is more embarasing (as many of those first sails were except ppl were watching this time) than spectacular. So I have had this boat out four times in the week and my two best freinds decide to go up for a weekend at the one's cottage up north. Naturally I have fallen in love with the boat and drag it all the way up there. Turned out to be a gorgeous afternoon. The thing about this lake though (I've sailed my cl14 there before but its a far cry from a laser) is it is really small and in a valley with large trees and hills etc, and the gustiest place i have ever been aside from the Ottawa River. There tends to not be too much wind in this lake either, ive seen it at 5 gusting 20 but that is about it. This day it seems really calm, a steadyish 5 nauts. It was so calm that my non-sailor freind and I took turns up and down the lake all afternoon. He comes back from a flawless sail, though he didn't get much speed. I decide to head out for a gust I saw across the lake. So away I go. I get into this gust and I'm yelling back and gloating (small lake). I tack and start heading back to head straight down the gust. I am about half hiked out havin a fun time when the gust suddenly stops with seemingly no warning and I capsize to windward rather quickly. Of course they are all laughing at me. I look around and the ripples on the water have more or less stopped (i was fairly close to the windward shore) and figure that i probably don't need to head the boat to wind, stupid idea but you could get away with it in a CL14. I swim around and grab the board, aparently as it was coming up the gust came back. I mastered the San Francisco roll by accident, when i found that forum here I was pretty proud of myself but at the time I had to go back to a dock with my tail tucked between my legs, and freinds laughing their @$$s off.
     
  16. tino

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    when I read all your capsize it seems all of you know perfectly to get into the boat again. here my question as a beginnerer.
    I got hit by a gust and a shift and started to deathroll. I got the boat up quickly again before i could step in via centerboard.
    Then I tried to climb in from luv side without success.
    how do you guys get into the boat without capsizing the boat again to luvwards?At the end I climbed in from the back but felt very poor to do so.Is there any trick to get in quickly from the side or is there no chance?
     
  17. odinsvitskjaldr

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    Do what you can to keep the bow heading into the wind while you right the boat
     
  18. Merrily

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    Yeah, it's tough to climb in from the leeward side because the boat tends to fall on you. If it's very windy I swim around to the windward side to get in. The wind on the sail counterbalances my weight as I get in.
     
  19. ceweed

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    I have 2 outta boat experiences that always hang in my mind.

    2 of my pals were out 2 up in a strong breeze in my laser ( shorter wooden tiller helped with space for tacking.
    All was going well, boat up to great speed when suddenly both do a synchronized back flip , wow i thought what a neat way to swap positions !. They sailed slowly back to shore , vessel exit was toe strap failure at full hike .
    fixed it up sent'em out again , next we see the sail hit the water , but both sat in boat , mast step gave way after a previous owner had poured resin in to try and seal it. that took a lot more repair.

    my fave outta boat experience was dirfting along on a run , boat heeled over on top of me to keep the sail central & I'm uncomfortably hanging onto the centreboard to get forward. lost my grip slid off like a stone of wet fish , boat merrily sailed off faster without me & I'm left in the water threatening it with a sound basil fawlty beating if it doesn't come back.
    at least the persian gulf waters are warm
    btw its nice to hear of so many old hulls still on the water
     
  20. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Re: Most spectacular capsise?!

    Tino: as Jay explained, in windy conditions, while you are still in the water, hang on to the bow. You will serve as the anchor and the boat will end up heading into the wind. Before you climb back in, make sure the sheet is free (mine often ends up under the rudder blade and this is difficult to clear up in heavy air once you are on board). Climb aboard using the grab rail and get organized. Take a deep breath as well :)
     

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