SFBayLaser said:I just want to remind everyone that the deadline for voting on the four proposed ILCA Class Rule changes is tomorrow (July 31)!
SFBayLaser said:Of these, one was clearly fictitious (Barry Bonds)
gouvernail said:Personally, whenever lying and cheating and Lasers are mentioned in the same paragraph I think about green dirt and Florida.
gouvernail said:Personally, whenever lying and cheating and Lasers are mentioned in the same paragraph I think about green dirt and Florida.
SFBayLaser said:This on the Laser and Master email lists:
Crawford, Kenneth wrote:
>>Any update on the voting? Did all of the measures pass? If so, when
>>can we expect them to be implemented and when will a new boom sleeve be
>>available?
>>
>>Ken Crawford
>>99926
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Hi Ken,
No word yet, but ILCA is most likely still in the process of verifying
memberships. Sherri was presented a list of North Americans who caste
ballots and has returned the verification already. So, while I don't
know how they voted, I can say that 272 people from the North American
Region caste ballots. Of these, one was clearly fictitious (Barry Bonds)
and nine others are not members so will have their votes removed.
I do not know how many people voted outside of North America.
Tracy
Chris123 said:Bump.
Any word on the voting yet?
168664 said:So has the final design been approved, or are they still working on a design. If its this one as per your other thread, I think its poorly thought out
I disagree. This is the main point of friction. If the returning line was the only line going through it then you would be correct, but it is mainly chaffing on the line end that is knotted to it, or partly wedged between that knotted line and the boom.leftfield said:I can't see a block at the fairlead removing much friction as there isn't a lot of friction at that point anyway.
This shows bad design. If this is capable of being fitted the wrong way, then that in itself is bad design and potentially dangerous. Even if instructions are supplied, a 2nd hand buyer would not know the correct way.leftfield said:The designer is quoted on another thread as saying that the outhaul should run down the side away from the hook to prevent the line accidentally lifting the hook and detaching the clew.
It does not matter which way you run the line. Either way, pulling a higher block towards a lower fairlead will put downwards pressure on the line between the block and the boom. The line already looks to be touching the boom, pull it closer to the fairlead and it will touch harderleftfield said:The other suggestion from the other thread is for the standing part of the outhaul to run through the block from the bottom, so the block will be pulled back rather than down and also remove the risk of the line binding.
I now use a velco strap and a quick release shackle for the outhaul and have never had a problem getting it undone. At a guess, a toggle or shackle may even be easier than the hook which will have upwards pressure from the sail on itleftfield said:A hook is much easier to connect and detach that a shackle or toggle - much less fiddly when the sail is flogging about in the breeze. I can't see how you could use a hook without having the sail sit outside the tabs.
US$50 is a big IF. A North sail in the US is $509, the same sail here is $1000 so you can at least double the US price. My current strap is 1 season old and showing no signs of wear, and thats with sailing the entire yearleftfield said:If the fitting is $US50, then it should cost about $AUS70 at the current exchange rate, but I will probably be closer to $100. Still seems pretty good value compared to a $25 fabric strap that has to be replaced every year or two.
168664 said:A very defeatist attitude. Not what I would have expected from an electronics engineer. I would prefer to spend the $100 to make a better "mousetrap".
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Chris123 said:Or, set up the rules to allow people to use whatever mousetrap they want, as is the case for tillers, tiller extensions, mainsheet blocks, side deck cleats, and a few other things. Nobody has yet explained how the class benefits from mandating this particular solution, as opposed to letting people try out their own solutions.
168664 said:It also appears that there has been no open discussion (or argument as Leftfield likes to call it) on the design since photos were not allowed to be publicly released.
AnswerlooserLu said:- How to prevent wearing (abrasion of the surface) at the boom?
- Isn't it better, to have the gromment inside of the new Clew Tie Down (I mean: using a shackle instead of the hook)
andThe point of the hook is to provide a simple quick release. I doubt you can really get the clew closer to the boom with any sort of hook, shackle, etc. since the cloth of the sail is already hitting the boom. You can, of course, use a tie down line or a clew strap to get it a bit closer since then you can strap the grommet right down on the boom. I've not yet had any indication that at my level of sailing I can detect any performance difference...
This has not so far been a problem in my experience. The fitting is sliding along the boom but not really scraping. Maybe over the long term with lots of usage it will scrape through the anodizing, I suppose we will see...
Answergouvernail said:it would work better if the outhaul line were rigged slightly differently.
The line in the photo is led such that the moving part on the block is against the boom and it can bind.
You can rig the line going through the pulley so it runs in the opposite direction.
This is not answering the question, or statement really. It was about the block on the sleeve pressing on the outhaul line between it and the boom, not about friction going around the boom fairleadAs you point out, the real problem is the line rubbing on itself in the eye at the end of the boom. Old habits die hard I guess, I'm trained to dead-end the line at that eye, hence you avoid most of the friction of the line rubbing on itself there by running it the way it is shown. I don't really notice any friction from that particular type of line rubbing on the boom...
crazyuncle said:How does the shockcord tie on to the sleeve? Can't see from your pictures.
Good question, I've not thought about it. I don't use a shock cord, it not really being necessary, IMHO, in anything but the lightest winds and... well... that's not an issue where I sail normally.
But... maybe hook into the clew grommet?
Merrily said:Also, I added shockcord to the trial boom sleeve that SFBayLaser gave me. There's plenty of light air at my club. I tried the sleeve without a shockcord and it didn't return easily in light air. I had to use 3/16 inch and was just able to fit it through and tie it to the pin that holds the hook. It worked well then.
and
It works. Very little friction. McLube only in light air.
SFBayLaser said:John Christianson looked at the pictures I posted and reminded me that the correct way to run the outhaul line has it going to the right side of the fitting, not the left as I have it. My excuse is a combination of "I'm right handed" and "I've always done it that way."
John Christianson said:The final integrity of this fitting rests on the sail never coming off by accident. When the sheet is on the port side along with the open end of the hook, a slight risk exists that the sheet could, in some way, push the long straight hook end forward and release the sail.
John Christianson said:I can almost guarantee that some will mount the hook backwards, pointing to starboard, which although it looks almost normal is unstable and allows the sail to come off. This is a bit humerous as it seems no amount of clear instructions even with pictures, will stop some from doing it.
168664 said:Another question that is not being answered, "can I buy this sleeve and take off the hook and block and attach the sail by another method', and put teflon tape around the inside of the sleeve?
168664 said:.
There seems to be a more than normal push to get this particular sleeve approved. And anyone who has a vested interest in getting this sleeve approved should declare their hand. Valid questions are not being answered and are simply glossed over and dismissed
so partly thanks to you we have been stuck with an inferior fitting. You voted for something which you knew could be better. Ok, lets move on and leave it for the next generation to fix upleftfield said:Of course a better fitting could be designed. Which Laser part couldn't be improved with some redesign?