Did some research (forum, google) but the only link I found was the one from ... but that link isn't working anymore. Anybody to help me? I'am looking to buy a Laser, so I have no actual sail number in mind.
Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But these are all for boats build at the other side of the ocean. Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?
And in fact I need the serial number of the hull. So if you blame me for not doing enough research, tell me then the age of the laser I mentioned (only sail number available)??? I cannot determine it with both of your links !!!
A few weeks I've found a link to determine the age just by the sailnumber (http://www.lasersailing.com/boat-inf...210bb0eceb9fef), but that one is not working anymore since a few weeks...
... I'am looking to buy a Laser, so I have no actual sail number in mind....
Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But...
... I need the serial number of the hull.
If you knew of the info, why did u not mention "hey, if I had the hull number I could use this link ("year of laser") but all I have is a hypothetical (random) sail number."
In fact, you did not really need to start a NEW thread since it is the same subject as yours and it (a reply) was posted before / same day as your post.
So yes, you may be off course... as you are looking for a hypothetical boat that you do not have (or know anything about) and insist TLC help you find information for sail number "97197".
Then, you may find a boat and request from TLC to repeat this process (again) of determining age based on sail number when you "may" have a complete hull number at that time.
Good luck!
I've seen the topic of this thread started at least a dozen times. At no time have I felt compelled to say, hey, why did you start a new thread? Why are you insisting that we help you and so on.
The poster hasn't insisted anything and has made a polite inquery.
WCsailor, you are sounding mean. We are better than that here.
The poster (has insisted) indicated he researched despite another recent thread with same or similar topic (he could have appropriately contributed to that thread).
And remember (Merrily), his (this) thread title is incorrect as he is speaking hypothetically since he is looking for boat and has little or no information. (in other words, he realized that sail number link does not work any more).
You are tilting at windmills...
Can anyone answer his other question regarding boat age and HIN: "Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?"
A problem you will find with Brit boats, is that they didn't always have the VIN on the stern. I've got PSE #150713, and no one knew how old it was, they thought 93 or 94. Turns out its a late '92.
World Class,
As I stated before, for the benefit of the rest of the North Americans, the PSE boats don't have a HIN. The only real way to tell the age of a PSE boat was to see an original point of purchase, or to punch the sail number from the genuine laser sticker into the old Lasersailing.com website. As my boat was originallly purchased in the UK, and was tranported here, and I am the 3rd owner,
I would never have truly known the age of my boat w/o the old lasersailing website.
I already answered that. They follow the same rules.
All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.
Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.
I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)
After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.
See attached picture of 119,000 series Laser.
Anyway, below is a summary of the information that was available on the lasersailing.com website.
It was published a few years ago on a website in either Excel or PDF format, but I cannot find the link so I have extracted it here.
It's not strictly accurate for the earlier years up to about 1984, as Laser 100,000 was actually made in 1981, so it is about a year out. It seems OK though from 1985 onwards. The boats used at the 1985 Worlds were all 123,000+.
Therefore the 97,000 boat you are looking at will have been made in 1981.
Year Sail / Hull No.
1971 95 –718
1972 100 - 2205
1973 3230 – 14305
1974 15430 – 22496
1975 23926 – 32167
1976 21512 - 35264
1977 35265 - 42273
1978 42274 - 56277
1979 56278 -72998
1980 72999 - 86490
1981 86491- 93254
1982 93255 -104928
1983 104929 -112845
1984 112846 -118022
1985 118023 -123688
1986 123689 -128595
1987 128596 -132231
1988 132232 -136322
1989 136323 -139659
1990 139660 -142789
1991 142790 -145705
1992 145706 -148322
1993 148323 -152360
1994 152361-155822
1995 155823 -158264
1996 158265 -161382
1997 161383 -164398
1998 164399 -166270
1999 166271 -168874
2000 168875 - 171536
2001 171537 - 173950
2002 173950 - 176694
2003 176695 - 179554
2004 179555 - 182213
2005 182214 - 185370
2006 185371 -
All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.
Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.
I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)
After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.
In 2006 (Laser Worlds 2006 at Jeju, South Korea, September 2006) the charterboats already had the sailnumbers over 190000 (I found a photo at the ILCA Homepage, with a sailnumber 190003, there at Jeju). So, in 2007 Lasers wits sailnumbers 190xxx to 192xxx have been produced. This year, 2008, at the Laser Worlds 2008 at Trreigal/Australia, in February, already Sailnumbers with 193xxx have been racing. I hope this informations do round up the infos for actual sailnumbers.
Is it possible that there is some delay in numbers in other parts of the world? I'm currently looking at an UK Laser with sail number 189xxx but it should be 2007 (last 4 digits in hull number are A707)?