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fairness
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equality
...These are what I believe to the basic guidelines for if you want racing to be as fair and equal as possible. If you do it any other way, its just not fair
Yes,can anyone else think of a perfect way to do it?
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I wonder if there might be an element of those "with" being worried that their performances might not be "up-to-scratch" it they did not have this additional support. Looking at some of the posts here I certainly think some are reacting that way.
Maybe there is a case to say that if these people need such assistance to give an acceptable performance then .....
Ian
tell that to all the olympic sailors and world champs
I wonder if there might be an element of those "with" being worried that their performances might not be "up-to-scratch" it they did not have this additional support. Looking at some of the posts here I certainly think some are reacting that way.
Maybe there is a case to say that if these people need such assistance to give an acceptable performance then .....
The thing is, they arent absolutly necessary, and everyone knows it. You can go out and win a race and have a coach boat waiting for you. And the next day you can do the same without. Their just nice to have.
did you see that I said they are just nice to have? It's nice to have all your extra crap out there, and someone that can provide an opinion on how your doing, if your sucking as much as you think you are, shouldent have gone left, etc...
but if you wanna ban it outright, I think it would be better to follow the method I stated earlier above. I mean come on, fresh boat evey race, can't get much better than that.
but doesnt the person with the brand new sail have a clear advantage over the person with the 20 year old sail that is no able to buy a new one. Under your system, the people with new sails should have points added to their score, or be banned from the race because they have a clear advantage, and this goes for new sail, hulls, or even the new rigging, some still consider it to be an unfair advantage
... I think it would be better to follow the method I stated earlier above. I mean come on, fresh boat evey race, can't get much better than that.
but doesnt the person with the brand new sail have a clear advantage over the person with the 20 year old sail that is no able to buy a new one. Under your system, the people with new sails should have points added to their score, or be banned from the race because they have a clear advantage, and this goes for new sail, hulls, or even the new rigging, some still consider it to be an unfair advantage
Wait a second here, no one (not even ross) is destroying debate here. Even exagerations and strawmen arguments highlight debatable points.
i.e.
Levels of advantage.
Is a new sail as much of an advantage as being towed to a course set 5 miles away?
What we are arguing is that Mommy boats and the assistance they provide, which are not explicitly allowed in the rules, should be illegal because their use goes against the spirit of single-handed one-design competition.
So does the idea of a RC having independance in chosing the shape, location and length of a course.
Think about it. One design rules - what do they seek to control?Huh? The RC always has that independence. How does that affect the spirit of competition?
How about have the Governing Rules Body decide up it, such as USAiling, or ISAF? As you've probably guessed, I think it would be wrong for something such as this to be decided up my a class association.
Think about it. One design rules - what do they seek to control?
and why can't they also control the courses?
and why don't they?
Consensus. Best practice. Practicallity. All unregulated.
In a similar sense, the use of mommie boats works on consensus. If that consensus is broken through extreme use, it will have to be regulated or banned. If RC's started laying obscure courses that annoyed enough competitors, courses would be regulated too.
this is exactly the point. Mommie boats are an independent party (within guidelines) just like RC.... the RC is generally an independent party that sets courses that are the same for all competitors (i.e. not designed to be an advantage for one competitor over the others). The use of coach boats by an individual affects that individual's ability to compete vis-a-vis the other competitors.
this is exactly the point. Mommie boats are an independent party (within guidelines) just like RC.
Why are they abusing their position? This issue should be able to resolved without regulation. The rules apply to sportsmanship. If you break a rule purposely you are cheating as much as if you break a rule of when boats meet purposely without taking a turn. So are mommie boats already covered by sportsmanship rules? Who will be the first to protest a mommie boat? Perhaps that is the practical way forward - start protesting over use of mommie boats?
Also on the side note of the RC, ever notice how some clubs still do different start sequences? some do 3 minutes, some 4, some 5, some do different flags... IS it written in the Laser Rules exactly what start sequence we use? Do it also say anything about exactly what courses we follow, how long they are, and how many a day? just wondering
In a similar sense, the use of mommie boats works on consensus. If that consensus is broken through extreme use, it will have to be regulated or banned.
If RC's started laying obscure courses that annoyed enough competitors, courses would be regulated too.
Ross missed a bunch more variables that would have to be equalized to make racing absolutely "fair" in the perfect world.