year of laser

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  1. scars_scrapes

    scars_scrapes New Member

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    i know this has been posted before but i didn't find it in my search. how do i identifiy the year of my laser?
     
  2. Laser76489

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    Re: Who built my boat
    This information is all found in the SN info below. I got this from some previous posts I believe the original author is Allan Broadribb

    "THE SERIAL NUMBER:

    Check the transom of the boat for the serial number, it'll look something like this! PFS 800000779

    The first three characters denote the builder as follows. This is from memory but it's fairly accurate:

    PFS - Performance Sailcraft in Montreal. Boats built from about 1971-82

    ZFS - Performance Sailcraft in Montreal after they went bankrupt and refinanced. Boats built from about 1982-85.

    ZID - Performance Sailcraft in Hawkesbury, Ontario, after they went bankrupt and refinanced again. Boats built from about 1985-89.

    PSB - Pearson Small Boats, Portsmouth, Rhode Island, after another bankruptcy by Performance Sailcraft. Boats built from about 1989-91.

    SLI - Sunfish Laser Inc., Portsmouth, Rhode Island, after Pearson Yachts and Pearson Small Boats declared bankruptcy. Boats built from about June 1991 - March 1997.

    OQT - Vanguard Sailboats Inc., Portsmouth, Rhode Island took over building Lasers and Sunfish from Sunfish Laser.

    The next five characters are the sail number, in this case 80000, which was my first Laser. If the first character is a letter than the sail number is over 100,000. A=10, B=11, C=12, etc. followed by the next four numbers.

    The last four characters denote the month and year the boat was built.

    So now you know how to tell who built the boat, the real sail number and when it was built."
     
  3. HIYCLaser2778

    HIYCLaser2778 New Member

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    Here's a wrinkle... My number starts with ZFS, but also has an original sticker in the cockpit "Made In Ireland"
     
  4. matt182763

    matt182763 pwner of n00bs

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    that means you have a euopean laser by laser performance, they had multiple factories
     
  5. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    GB PSE LS 0138A0505 is the serial number at he back of my hull but I can't figure out ist's sail number becasu if A=10 lmust be equal to 20 but it isn't possible as you know because its a 2005 hull as I figured out from the serial and also 200,000th boat in't produced yet.ı mtrying to find out what my sail number is because a very clever guy teared out the sticker that shows the sail number
     
  6. 49208

    49208 Tentmaker

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    I'm would think that is an "I" not an "L" which would make the sail number
    180138 which sounds about right for a '05 model
     
  7. Sailingpj

    Sailingpj New Member

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    I have a question on sort of the same topic. How do you know the sail number if the boat is one of those with the number on the bow. All mine says is 2094.
     
  8. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    no its not an "I" I got a photo for you to see
     

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  9. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    He told that these five characters shows the sail number
     
  10. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    If it is under the bow eye, that is your sail number--2094.
     
  11. Sailingpj

    Sailingpj New Member

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    Ok, cool. Thanks.:D
     
  12. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    so a any solution for mine :D
     
  13. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Sorry, I don't. :eek:
     
  14. 49208

    49208 Tentmaker

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    My apoligies, I forgot that PSE does not use the sail number in the Hull Identification Number aka HIN.
    You will need to contact LaserPerformance to get the sail number
    (They use to have an online tool to input the HIN and get the sail number, but I can't find it since their website redesign)

    The LS stands for the model designation, ie Laser, the remaining 4 digits prior to the date code are the serial number (which is not the sail number, but used by LP to relate the sail number assigned to that HIN)
     
  15. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    I mailed to laser performance europe to learn my sail number ı sent the HIN I m waiting for them
     
  16. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    Hi, the local Laser dealer, where I usually buy my Laserparts, did told me, the "Hull Identification Number" is not the sailnumber.

    It is a sort of production-code that the European Union wants to see on the Hull of the Lasers here at Europe, to exact identify this Product. No one here was able, up to now, to explain me exact the code number (trivial is: "GB PSE LS")

    Enes, ask Shevy for more informations, you know how to find him at the Marmara Sea.

    Here is a reply of me, related to that theme, with pictures of Lasers of my club and others. At Photo 4 an 6 one views to Hull Identification Numbers . The sail numbers are to find at the stickers at the rear wall of the cockpit. (At old Lasers the sail numbers are to find under the boweye or at the transom between the gudgeons).

    http://www.laserforum.org/showpost.php?p=46954&postcount=5


    Ciao
    LooserLu
     
  17. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    I don't have the sticker because of that I am waiting for the reply of my e mail.
     
  18. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    Enes,
    if your Laser is a used Laser, and you got it already without that sticker, you better ask also the former owners. He/she may know what had happened to that sticker. This sticker is very-very important. I am not so sure about it, that PSE is able to say the sailnumber only by knowing the Hull Indentification Number. I pray for you they are able to say it ...
    Such a sticker usually never should removed. Several reasons may are possible, that this sticker is away. The "worst case"-reason is: the boat has been stolen before. In reason of this, I urgent give you the advise, to find out the former owners of your boat. One of those pre-owners definitely know, why the sticker is away and the history of your boat and probably the sailnumber. Only if the boat is built BEFORE about ~ 1985, there is no sticker to find (At that times, PSE put a sticker-plate, made out of aluminium, to the rear wall of the cockpit the first time, correct me, if I am wrong). The hull identification number probably first was printed to the hull at ~ 1996/1997 (correct me, if I am wrong).

    Enes, if PSE do not answer, try to contact the office of the Turkish Laserclass (or the related office where you live in the moment). Perhaps PSE answers to them, if they ask for you (I would go that way.)

    Without that sticker, your Laser probably gets problems with the people that measure your Laser at big events (such as: national championships or european events of the ILCA-Europe Racing series).
    This sticker (together with the so called "Measurement Certificate and Record of Origin"-card, that you get from the office of the Turkish Laserclass or the related office where you live in the moment) says to the measurers: Your Laser is a legal Laser (TM).

    Good luck

    LooserLu
     
  19. enescaylak

    enescaylak New Member

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    The boat's former owner is the sunsail clubs.It means tahtthe hull was used in an hotel.But someone has taken it out of it it can't be stolen because our club bought 10+ boats from them and all of them has stickers.When I checked the hull numbers they are very close to each other for example mine is LS 138 There is a LS 132 so if they are built in an order the sail numbers must have ther same order so ı can find what my sail number is by comparing the HINs of the boats.Unfortunately there WILL be some problems while attending some importasnt races but I can show them The HIN and the boat might be acceptable.
     
  20. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    Enes, that lightens up the history of your Laser a bit.
    From an older thread at TLF I remember, about "Sunsail"-Hotels (http://www.sunsail.eu/?oloc=TR&submit=Update+Location). If I would be you, I would ask the manager of the Holiday-resort of Sunsail, where you did get the Laser from (Javelin/Perili/Phokaia). They probably have informations in their "financial-books" about the transaction where/when they did buy the Lasers (for example a copy of the bill from the Lasershop they did bought the boats from). At GER, those "financial books" have to be archived for about 10 years, probably it is the same at Turkey.

    I am not sure, but probably with the copy of that bill you are able to investigate the original sailnumber. Probably at the bill one is able to find out informations about the sailnumber related to the hull numbers. If not, probably with a copy of the bill one is able to contact the Laserstore where the Lasers have been bought. They probaly have papers at their financial-archive, that say something about the HIN/Sailnumner.

    Definitely you have to contact the Laserclass Assiciation of Turkey to involve them to get new stickers. I have my doubts, they are able to give you new stickers, but they probably are able to give you a exceptional-paper, that permits you to race at major races at Turkey, in reason you definitely have good reasons why there are no stickers of PSE at your Laser. That would be the easiest way.

    BTW: I have seen some very nice photos online of racing the Laser at the Bosporus of this summer. Altough I do not understand 1 single word in Turkish language, it seems really, you have a windy area there. :)
    Also I there saw, "SG" did race in June...but he only had this result: "DNF/DNS/DNS". I hope he is fine and not had the DNS's in reason he got hurt... Best wishes to him from TLF.

    All the best Enes
    LooserLu
     

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