Nobody Wants To Be An Officer?

Discussion in 'Laser Class Politics' started by gouvernail, Sep 27, 2008.

  1. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    No one single person in North America thinks it is so important to serve as a Laser Class officer it is important enough to post a, "Vote for me and Why."

    I am not saying nobody wants teh job.

    I am saying, it sure looks like the only reason anybody is currently serving is a personal version of, "If nobody else will do the job I will hold the title and do what I can when I have the inclination."

    Please, kids. take over your game and use your enthusiasm to make it grow and prosper.

    Don't worry about getting it wrong. The only way to get it wrong is to do nothing.

    Our current officers are old, very old men and women who lost any concept of enthusiasm years and years ago.

    There are almost zero qualifications necessary to serve as an officer of the North American Laser Class.

    If you ahve a pulse and are willing, you can have a title.

    If you have a pulse and some enthusiasm, you can have any title for which you promise your best effort.

    Is there anyone out there with a pulse??

    ANYBODY???


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  2. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    What does it pay???
     
  3. Eric_R

    Eric_R D10 Secretary

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    not every laser sailor is on this forum and I bet that many may not even know that this is going on.
     
  4. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    Absolutely true.

    On the other hand...

    Laser sailing was not built by a bunch of people who had to be sought out and asked for help.

    When the game was booming, people were lining up to drag more people into the game and show them how to play on our great boats in the great game.

    Now, nobody even gives a crap about doing a damn thing.

    The game can't run on fumes forever.

    Sooner or later somebody has to step up and make it work.

    Tracy has run the show for his ten years. The other 2000 of you who have benefitted and done nothing curently collectively owe Tracy 200,000 years.

    It's HIS turn to just show up and rig and not worry about how teh details are tgaken care of.

    As I see it there are 2000 of you screwing Tracy every day and I am sorta sick of it.
     
  5. Sailingpj

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    Re: Nobody Want To Be An Officer

    At what age can someone start to serve as an officer?
     
  6. Eric_R

    Eric_R D10 Secretary

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    The other thing that might be nice is a basic job description, I don't think many of us know exactly what the officers do.
     
  7. SFBayLaser

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    Re: Nobody Want To Be An Officer

    The ILCA Constitution describes the organization of the regions and their officers. After that, the ILCA-NA has a set of by-laws (with Eric Faust the lead editor) that describe in more detail the officers of the ILCA-NA Executive Committee. Finally, this thread on the ILCA-NA website describes the annual procedure.

    Let me know if you need more information than is contained in the above links!
     
  8. SFBayLaser

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    There are no age limits, only a requirement that an officer is a member of the Laser Class.
     
  9. SFBayLaser

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    Respectfully, I have to disagree with this statement.

    First, the officers who are standing for re-election, as outlined in this thread on the ILCA-NA site, are doing so because they want to, not because they think they have to.

    Second, the people currently volunteering their time are putting in a LOT of effort and I know that in a few cases it significantly impacts on time they would be spending on the water. So, I don't think it is fair to characterize them as only wanting to "hold the title" - these volunteers are doing real work on behalf of all Laser sailors.

    We do have a natural turnover of ILCA-NA ExCom members and this year is no exception. Ben Richardson is stepping down as Treasurer not because he doesn't want to do it, but because he was given one of those "opportunities he can't refuse" and felt he would not be able to put in the time necessary to fulfill his responsibilities. Ben will be missed, he really did a great job overseeing the ILCA-NA finances (one should notice the positive balance in the bank account at the end of the last two fiscal years), and also worked hard on the always contentious world championship qualification rules - not only working with all the interested parties but also bringing the perspective of a hard core Olympic campaigner. He will be missed!

    On the other hand, this does present the perfect opportunity for someone new to step up to help at the regional level. And, in fact, I am told that at least one highly qualified individual has already stepped forward to put their name into the nomination process for Treasurer to replace Ben. So, as has been the case all along, the people in our class do step forward when there is a need.

    The nomination process begins the week of October 6 and any member of ILcA-NA who wants to be nominated, but is unsure of what is involved, or of the actual process, etc, is encouraged to contact Sherri Campbell in the ILCA-NA office and she will be happy to help guide you through the process. You can also send any questions to me, and I'm more than happy to also help, but remember that, as a candidate myself, I'm "tainted", "guilty by association" or something...
     
  10. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Sorry, but I find part of gouvernail's first post in this thread derogatory to the current officers.
    I know that Fred has (mostly) great ideas, spends a lot of time contributing to the sport in general, and is a positive force for the well being of the class, but it is not helpful to be so negative about the current election process. Specifically, if we direct unjustified criticism at our officers, who will want to serve now or in the future?

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with re-electing those that are doing a good job. But I do agree with Fred that, in the long run, it is necessary to groom future officers; whether they be young or old is secondary, IMHO.
     
  11. gouvernail

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    No way I meant to make it sound that way.

    When I took over a Calss Secretary I ONLY did it out of concern it would not otherwise get done at all.

    I knew there were people who wanted the pay. There were people who wanted to do some of the job.
    As opne of teh current class officers ( Vice President / Measurer) I didn't hear from anybody who described doing what I thought was the ENTIRE job so I mad a pitch about what I would do, took on the contract, hired help with half my pay, and then we did lots more than anybody ever envisioned.

    Somebody out there in Laser land must have the same enthusiasm Eric and I had in 1999...We were already old farts.

    My belief, and I could be wrong about some or all of our current officers, is our officers are feeling responsible for the game and are taking care of the game as well as they know how. They are spending as much time as their lives will allow to accomplish what matters very much to them.

    None of the current oficers is a raving Laser fanatic.

    I think we need a few.

    None of the ILCA positions are difficult mentally or physically to fill. The positions have descriptions and duties and any reasonable person can make a reasonable prediction about how much time might be necessary and then...grab a position and fill the job.

    There are probably 10,000 people in North America who race a Laser at least once every year. Only about one in 5 ever pays class dues and few more contribute at the club level.

    There are 2000 members in the class and life is not all that long.

    Thee is no reason anyone should have to spend 10 years filling an uncompensated position on the board of directors of any 2000 member institution.

    How old do you have to be??
    Old enough to do the job.

    In various sailing organizations, I was a class president when I was 16 , a measurer when I was 18 and served as district secretary, national secretary, class vice president , and district governor all before I turned 21. I am certain I was an ignorant over enthusiastic punk pain in the butt who was always dragging other folks out to play my sailing games.

    I am no smarter of clever than any of the kids who post on this forum or sail in our fleets. I did ok. My classes always grew. I think we should put the kids in charge. NOW.

    if the new kids screw up, old guys like Tracy can come back and help out a bit...after the races.

    In fact, I am certain Tracy would spend time on the phone, write emails, and even come to a regatta a day early once in a while to help some 17 year old figure out how to get the Class Presidency thing done right.

    The game needs people who eat sleep and drink Laser sailing and who will drag their friends out to join them.

    Kids do that stuff way better than old farts.

    And...
    Just how many years do the same guys have to run things before it is somebody else's turn??

    Grab a postion and do something!!!

    That's my only point.

    It is time for the kids to take over and run the show.

    Really!!


    Kids ahve something old age and experience always kills...

    Enthusiasm
     
  12. Sailingpj

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    Yeah, It's called stupidity, arrogance, and good joints.
     
  13. dyzzypyxxy

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    Time, and endless optimism are also attributes of youth that lend themselves well to a volunteer Class exec job.

    However the inherent thanklessness can be discouraging, especially to someone young and inexperienced. Ya just can't please everybody.

    Patience and diplomacy are also hard to come by in someone of the younger persuasion.

    How d'you think an 18 yr.old Class President would fare at a World Council meeting when confronted by the highly skilled, experienced and manipulative Mr. Martin? Or a panel of builders whose ability to earn a living depends upon the decisions of a bunch of volunteers?

    I think a certain measure of self-confidence and maturity is needed to weather that storm.

    Hey Fred, would you please weigh in on my "keep the dream alive" thread? I've been waiting in weightless anticipation.
     
  14. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    I have one for you...

    How do you think any of us has ever fared any differently than a crying baby would ahve fared.

    Sometimes they pay attention long enough to get us to shut up but NOBODY ever even slows the builders who do EXACTLY as they please.

    All old farts do is get used to being ignored.

    A pesky kid would come back and publish a newsletter where he bitches about being bullshitted by the Builders.

    Let's see the last article like that in ANY North Americamn Newsletter was published in 2002...Summer issue??


    The secretary stood up to the builders...

    Something about hew drain plugs that had new threads?? Something about the eighth different plug after the first 120,000 boats ahd the exact same plug??

    Something about teh original plug still being on the market?

    Something about every singe sailr needing a drain plug to sailand the builder was making it difficult for us to find spares.

    Something about NOBODY VOTED FOR THAT CHANGE!!!

    The reaction in North America was for the builder butt kissing class officers to pick up copies of that newsletter at yacht clubs and throw them in the trash becuase the builder said the newsletter was HI-JACKED!!

    Yes, somebody said something aswful about the builder and he quit paying for his advertising and withheld the $35 per boat new boat calss subsidy until the writer was gone!!

    Yeah...Don't complain about his new thirty nine cent drain plug or you will be shoved out as a pariah.

    Let the kids have at it.

    Kids don't tolerate bull from anybody.

    Kids still believe they can DEMAND an explanation.

    Let's throw our snot nosed enthusiastic teenaged fanatics at the world council.

    The kids in North and South America are the most intolerable creatures on the planet...unless they get their way...

    It was American Kids who stomped the Kaiser.

    It was American kids who kicked Hitler's ass.

    It was American Kids who made Laser sailing the premiere world sailing game.

    American Kids can take on anybody and win.

    If the kids don't volunteer I say we draft them!!!
     
  15. Eric_R

    Eric_R D10 Secretary

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    Well we have a Treasurer, congrats Clay Johnson!
     
  16. fracisco

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    I think that this is the most important part of Fred's post. Being a district governor (and maybe a class officer) is a thankless job that requires unbridled enthusiasm and energy, because the feedback is so small compared to what you put into it. I think that for someone in their 20's it is a great experience to try and rally a group of people and get them going in the same direction. There is a lot of give and take in establishing a schedule, getting the NOR's out, and working with the class office. I did it for several years in the J/24 class, in my 20's.

    Folks, try it and do it before you get burned out and become cynical and show up to the Masters events only. It can be rewarding and you will learn more about the boat and class politics than you ever could have imagined.
     
  17. Ross B

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    That seriously happened, such a load of ****, we only need one type of drain plug, no reason to go about switching the freaking things around! Granted it's not a major change, so I don't exactly see the need for a vote, but it would be nice to know before hand. Builders walkin all over us again!
     
  18. pez

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    Gouvernail, I have a great amout of respect for you as a sailor and a human being, but the first thing that popped into my mind when you said this is, "piss off, jack." Maybe it's just my mood today.
     
  19. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Um, Pez old buddy, you are a good guy. Could you be a little more "elegant" in your criticism? The Gouv himself makes an effort to do so at TLF.
     
  20. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    Please don't take your displeasure with me out on Jack!!!

    But seriously....

    I do think the game would be better served by those who are young and full of that enthusiasm associated with refusal to accept "I don't care" for an answer.
     

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