Laser Simulator available at Tacticat

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  1. tacticat

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    Hi all,
    This is to announce the general availability of Lasers at Tacticat (www.tacticat.com) . Tacticat is an internet simulator for tactical training intended for race around the buoys. Tacticat has been created and tested by sailors that race often and supported by various official sailing organizations.

    Tacticat is in fact a multi-user game where sailors meet, race, and learn. A big effort has been made to re-create the conditions of an around-the-buoys race, trying to face the users with the same tactical questions they would normally find in reality (which plan for the start, tack now or wait?, take the risk and what if wind changes?, boat-to-boat tactics, etc).

    Tacticat was born for fast catamarans, now a new boat can be sailed, the Laser. Laser sim is based on the boat polars, acceleration and shape and has incorporated the planning effect and by-the-lee sailing to the previous cat-sailing simulation.

    To sail Tacticat you don’t need to be registered. Just enter and try. Register is only required for those willing to have a boat named after his nick or wanting to keep the points for classifications.

    Any of you interested to give it a try?, please go to www.tacticat.com, and take a look to the Read-me-first and the FAQ. Just remember that Tacticat is been designed for simplicity and minimum key input. You will be a coach radio linked with the boat skipper, you are not at the helm, your orders will be: navigate by telltales! (space bar), tack! (enter), gybe! (enter) or, less often Up! or off! (arrow keys).

    Tacticat is a java application with NO USAGE of user system resources and running in a Java sand-box. The only requirement to play is to have an updated version of Java (downloadable from www.java.com or www.sun.com). Internet connection is also a requirement, the game is playable even with 56k modem lines or satellite connections, but don’t expect very good response times in those cases.
    Tacticat servers are located in Dallas (USA) and London , managed by a New-Zealand company and administered by Spanish sailors.

    Support and questions can be e-mailed directly to tacticat-at-adecat.com (change the at by @).

    All sailors are welcome, even those sailing big boats. We wait you at the races…

    Amando Estela, Tacticat admin and Laser sailor when younger.
     
  2. tacticat

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    One day after the announcement of the Laser availability at Tacticat ( http://www.tacticat.com ) and a lot of sailors have entered the races :)

    A couple of comments:
    - It took us 2 months to get the Catamaran simulation right, to the level where world top sailors use it to improve their tactics. We used lots of inputs to change the behaviour of the boat and tweak everywhere. For the Laser we will need it too, please, we need your comments to get a Laser sim that satisfies top sailors and novices.

    - The original post has been moved by this forum admin (I assume) to the Chit-Chat section about everything. The post was Laser related, ONLY Laser, and for interest of laser racers, a pity :(, but that's the admin job, isn't it?.

    At Tacticat, we would like the Lasers be like it is today for cats:
    - A tool, good for newbies and pros
    - A way to know and race other Laser sailors around the world
    - A way to introduce the Laser class to other sailors now sailing other types of boats.

    With your help, of course.

    aestela
    Tacticat Admin.
     
  3. odinsvitskjaldr

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    It's nice. You like. Hi five!
    I fiddled around with it a few times and I think it's a great tool for learning not only tactics, but for newbies it's going to make the learning curve rise sharply in the areas of following courses, the racing rules, and not beat up any real boats in the process. (Personally, I like gybing in heavy air and NOT capsizing! Take your time adding a capsize/turtle feature.)
    A few features/tweaks I'd like to see:
    -a different finish sound. Any way to change the windows ring-ring with a whistle or horn?
    -variation of course. Is it possible to run a variety of O, G, and W courses? If so, I guess there'd also need to be a way to display what course is being raced. Maybe a "virtual RC boat stanchion"?
    -I don't know if it's my PC (it's pretty fast and on a hi speed connection), but the up/down arrow control for the mainsheet seems sluggish.
    -and somewhere down the line, a wave/current feature. Now, that would be hot!
    I know I need to probably read up more on the nuances, like what's it mean when boatnames are highlighted in various ways, etc. I appreciate its availability and think it's a great tool for learning and having fun. Now, we can go sailing whenever it's snowing, sleeting, freezing, hurricaning....working, bored in conference meetings, riding the bus, baby-sitting, or any of the other times we are not actually on the water. I'd be curious to know if anybody unconsciously leans out in gusts or shifts their weight while steering while using Tacticat. :rolleyes:
    See you on Tacticat sometime...
     
  4. sailor327

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    I like tacticat..pause...not

    no, but i like, its good


    Borat.. what a great movie
     
  5. rock steady

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    Hey Tacticat - thanks for getting a Laser sim up! You guys rock.

    I haven't given't it a try but will as soon as I get some time.
     
  6. tacticat

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    Exactly one of the intended goals of Tacticat

    Not possible. Tacticat uses Java technology that for security reasons CANNOT access the users' resources, that includes your filesystems, microphone and speaker. That is a guarantee Tacticat is not going to fiddle with your machine but problem is the only sound we are allowed to use is the BEEP.

    We will do it, but just right now we're trying to cope with the flood of Laser Sailors (you are too many!!;) ). We are adjusting the servers and comms to try to satisfy 10 times the hits we had when we sailed only cats. Give us some time.

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    One of the things you learn soon is that Tacticat interface (your screeen and keyboard) is just a way to give orders and indications to a remote skipper. You are the coach, the boat is sailed by a world champion (who makes the hiking:) for you). So... Tacticat will only help in a small part of Laser Sailing, nothing compares to the real experience.
     
  7. markhamlin

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    Any chance for better control keys?
    It looks like the keys use the system timed key repeat (I'm on mac os x), so you hit turn and hold it, and it turns once, waits, then turns a bunch, making it really hard to steer accurately and smoothly around marks.
    Also, Maybe having the chat/message input in a separate window rather than on-screen, perhaps it'd make the typing smoother?

    Great simulator, I love it... Looks like tons of laser sailors are playing with it, therew ere around 10 on yesterday, and 16 this morning... That's a lot considering other network games :)

    Keep it up,
    -Mark H
     
  8. tacticat

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    Which is the best race course?

    Help!.
    At Tacticat Lasers race a course that was defined long time ago for cats.

    Many sailors have complained and want the course changed so, taking into account that
    • WE NEED A SHORT COURSE,
    • we need a course where tactical decisions are of importance
    what would be your preference?

    Thank you for your comments,

    aestela
    Tacticat Admin
     
  9. Deimos

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    I started trying but saw it was downloading and running a .exe file without having asked my permission. Despite having high security settings on my computer it seemed to just download and run this so I immediately pulled the plug (literally) and then spend some time recovering what I had lost (other things that had been open on my computer !!).

    Not impressed and will not be using it again.

    Ian
     
  10. tacticat

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    Exe file executing is either Microsoft or Sun Microsystems Java. You can or cannot trust them.
    Downloaded files are the Tacticat java classes that will be loaded by java with all security managers on.

    Of course system is NOT asking you permissions: That's because Tacticat explicitly runs on a sand box and is not able to fiddle with your system!.

    For instance
    - Tacticat cannot even store a cookie in your system (web browsing can)
    - Tacticat cannot use your microphone, cannot use your speaker (only a poor system beep is allowed)

    But of course you have to trust someone, Microsoft if you use Windows OS and windows applications, Sun if you use java. If you trust them (and I guess you do) you dont need to trust Tacticat to use it.

    Tacticat don't want you to install an exe file, or download whatever file. Miscrosoft and Sun technologies will do it, and will try to do it and keep you safe.

    Of course even MS or Sun make mistakes and those can be exploited by hackers. That risk you are always with the moment you connect your computer to Internet.

    aestela
    Tacticat Admin.
     
  11. tacticat

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    Re: Which is the best race course?

    Is there anyway to have more then one?
     
  13. vtgent49

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  14. Bradley

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    What was the name of the file? It sounds like it was probably your computer dowloading the latest java to be able to play the game. Many computers don't have it installed by default. What web browser are you using?
     
  15. tacticat

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    Re: Which is the best race course?

    I've tried the link several times to download a word doc. It opens always but immediatly hangs the Word. Should I keep trying to open the doc or is corrupted?

    Thanks.
     
  16. vtgent49

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    Re: Which is the best race course?

    Sorry, but it just worked again for me. I'll try to attach the word.doc, otherwise email me, and I'll send it. Just click my name to email.
     

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  17. tacticat

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    Re: Which is the best race course?

    Thanks. It worked.

    After a first reading I noticed that all recommended finishes are on a windward leg. Is it only because a downwind finish makes it complicated for juries to read the sail numbers or there are other reasons?

    At tacticat we use downwind finish. It makes finish more 'interesting' both for cats (big blanketting effects allow for nice tactics) and for current laser sim with the planning/non-planning effects.

    And, of course, we have no problems reading sail numbers ;)
    A.
     
  18. Deimos

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    I already have the latest Java stuff (manually downloaded and installed before trying the tacticat stuff. Cannot remember the name of the file as it downloaded pretty quickly before starting (i.e. much too quickly for it to be part of the Java system). It was definitely a .exe file though.
    I installed the Java I downloaded form Sun (i.e. not the one that happened to be on my PC when I purchased it).

    My IE is pretty "closed" in that most of the security options are enabled (i.e. not just default) and I'm on IE7 (so even pasting from the clipboard into the browser requires my permission.

    Ian
     
  19. tacticat

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    According to Sun documentation, the exe that is launched is javaws.exe

    When a web browser indentifies the content sent by a server as being jnlp (that's the case of Tacticat application) if the java handler is registered (as it is by default with the new versions of MS Internet Explorer) javaws is launched and the content is forwarded to the exe.

    javaws is, from that on, in charge of the process:
    - checking what has to be executed
    - checking that all required classes have been downloaded and download those that have been changed or ar missing verifying the timestamps and signatures on the fly.
    - run the classes on a sand-box if the code is not signed (tacticat case) forbidding all access to user resources and all further connection to other servers except the server sending the content.

    All in all the safest we have found. And even in this case, to be completely honest: nothing nor nobody can guarantee complete security when you connect to Internet. :(
     
  20. vtgent49

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    Re: Which is the best race course?

    Yes, Laser RC's prefer the short W leg to finish because the sail number is visable.

    It also does have have tactical advantages, passing the advantage back to the leaders, who can use match racing tactics to cover, etc. The follower also has the opportunity to get an inside overlap at the last leeward.

    The windward/leeward course is used quite often, especially if there is only one fleet. With two big fleets, the RC's will designate the second start to use the left hand marks for their extra w/l lap. This seperates them.

    I'm sure you simulator will be great either way. Thanks for your efforts.

    Al Russell 182797
     

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