ILCA Class Rules vote ends July 31 (tomorrow!)

Discussion in 'Laser Class Politics' started by SFBayLaser, Jul 30, 2006.

  1. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    I just want to remind everyone that the deadline for voting on the four proposed ILCA Class Rule changes is tomorrow (July 31)! For those that haven't yet, now is the time to vote on these proposals! Please take a few minutes to go to http://www.laserinternational.org/rules2006.htm and vote on these changes.

    As a further reminder, for your vote to count you MUST be a Class Member. Part of the voting form includes your name and the district in which you reside and the ILCA office uses this information to contact, in the case of North America, Sherri and Jerelyn to verify membership. If you want your vote to count and are not a Class Member (and live in the North American Region), then you can go to http://www.laser.org/join-the-class-2.php and join online.

    Of the four proposed changes, the first (for the builder supplied boom sleeve) has seen the most discussion with several threads here at The Laser Forum. For those still on the fence, please check out those threads to get the range of opinions on the fitting.

    Your vote IS important! The 2005 rule changes passed with less than 320 Class Members voting - out of some 12,000 worldwide (see the results at http://www.laserinternational.org/rules2005.htm )! In addition, to pass a proposed rule change must be approved by 2/3 of those voting. So, your vote DOES count!! Please take a few minutes and vote on these changes!!

    Thanks!!!

    Tracy
     
  2. Chris123

    Chris123 New Member

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    Tracy, your reminder finally got me to pony up and renew my membership!
     
  3. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    This on the Laser and Master email lists:

    Crawford, Kenneth wrote:


    >>Any update on the voting? Did all of the measures pass? If so, when
    >>can we expect them to be implemented and when will a new boom sleeve be
    >>available?
    >>
    >>Ken Crawford
    >>99926
    >>


    Hi Ken,
    No word yet, but ILCA is most likely still in the process of verifying
    memberships. Sherri was presented a list of North Americans who caste
    ballots and has returned the verification already. So, while I don't
    know how they voted, I can say that 272 people from the North American
    Region caste ballots. Of these, one was clearly fictitious (Barry Bonds)
    and nine others are not members so will have their votes removed.
    I do not know how many people voted outside of North America.

    Tracy
     
  4. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    Tracy,

    I admire your focus on sailing and all that but. Barry Bonds is a real person. He plays baseball for a professional team right out near you in San Francisco.
    On another note: He probably is not a member of the Laser Class and that vote was probably not cast by him.


    Personally, whenever lying and cheating and Lasers are mentioned in the same paragraph I think about green dirt and Florida.
     
  5. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    :confused:
     
  6. sailor327

    sailor327 New Member

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    Whats wrong with florida
     
  7. Chris123

    Chris123 New Member

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    Bump.

    Any word on the voting yet?
     
  8. SFBayLaser

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    All four rule proposals have passed and I believe more details will be forthcoming after the Master Worlds have completed.
     
  9. Radial 171107

    Radial 171107 New Member

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  10. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Where do we get the boom sleeve from and when can we start using it?
     
  11. 49208

    49208 Tentmaker

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    The boom sleeve will be a builder supplied part - available thru authorized dealers...

    As far as availablilty - If they follow the timetable they used last year, the new rules would go in effect March 07.

    As to when you can actually buy it, if I were marketing it, I would have it available by the holidays of this year.
     
  12. 168664

    168664 New Member

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    So has the final design been approved, or are they still working on a design. If its this one as per your other thread, I think its poorly thought out
     

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  13. leftfield

    leftfield New Member

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    I probably shouldn't ask, but why would you think the design is poorly thought out? The design is the end of a years long development process, and the feedback from sailors who have actually tested the sleeve is unanimously extremely positive. I can't wait to get my hands on one!
     
  14. 168664

    168664 New Member

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    I just thought that having the sail going through the middle of the fitting would have been the more logical way to go, rather than down to one side. Lock it in there with either a quick release shackle or a toggle pin.

    It also appears that the outhaul line could catch under the hook and end up inside it. This may not be a problem but looks like it may jam under the sail
     

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  15. 168664

    168664 New Member

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    Just a further note:

    The only purpose I can see for this change is to make it slide better. Then why stop at a half fix. Go the whole way and get rid of the fairlead and replace it with a single block with becket.

    Plus having the block mounted vertically is also bad design. The closer you pull a vertical block to the fairlead, the block is going to be forced downward putting downward pressure on the outhaul line against the boom causing more friction

    To me this just seems like an expensive way of replacing the velcro clew strap for little gain
     
  16. leftfield

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    Yes, the only purpose for the change is to make the clew slide better - that's the whole point! Now that we have the new rigging, the clew tie down is one of the main problem areas - this fitting will make a huge difference in the same way that the other new fittings did a few years ago. The clew strap was a small step forward from a tie down line, but from all accounts this sleeve is on a whole new level. I can't see a block at the fairlead removing much friction as there isn't a lot of friction at that point anyway.

    In the photo, the outhaul line is running down the wrong side of the sleeve. The designer is quoted on another thread as saying that the outhaul should run down the side away from the hook to prevent the line accidentally lifting the hook and detaching the clew. The other suggestion from the other thread is for the standing part of the outhaul to run through the block from the bottom, so the block will be pulled back rather than down and also remove the risk of the line binding.

    A hook is much easier to connect and detach that a shackle or toggle - much less fiddly when the sail is flogging about in the breeze. I can't see how you could use a hook without having the sail sit outside the tabs.

    If the fitting is $US50, then it should cost about $AUS70 at the current exchange rate, but will probably be closer to $100. Still seems pretty good value compared to a $25 fabric strap that has to be replaced every year or two.
     
  17. 168664

    168664 New Member

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    I cant see how anyone could make a vote when they have never seen it or used it. Why wasnt this prototype put up for open suggestions before the vote, (or was it, I only got into this recently) or submissions from other designers allowed so a choice was available. Another option is fixing a thin nylon bearing inside it.


    I disagree. This is the main point of friction. If the returning line was the only line going through it then you would be correct, but it is mainly chaffing on the line end that is knotted to it, or partly wedged between that knotted line and the boom.


    This shows bad design. If this is capable of being fitted the wrong way, then that in itself is bad design and potentially dangerous. Even if instructions are supplied, a 2nd hand buyer would not know the correct way.


    It does not matter which way you run the line. Either way, pulling a higher block towards a lower fairlead will put downwards pressure on the line between the block and the boom. The line already looks to be touching the boom, pull it closer to the fairlead and it will touch harder


    I now use a velco strap and a quick release shackle for the outhaul and have never had a problem getting it undone. At a guess, a toggle or shackle may even be easier than the hook which will have upwards pressure from the sail on it


    US$50 is a big IF. A North sail in the US is $509, the same sail here is $1000 so you can at least double the US price. My current strap is 1 season old and showing no signs of wear, and thats with sailing the entire year





     
  18. abenn

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    I'm sorry to say 168664, but even though some of your points may be valid - its all a bit late. The new sleeve has been around and trialled for a couple of years now and the vote has been passed. I can't see that anyone is going to change the design or come up with an alternative at this stage as it takes a few years to get anything through the approval process.
    Despite your suggestions of things that might go wrong, all we've heard from people who have used it is that its great and works very well.
    It sounds like you're pretty happy with your current arrangement so I'd suggest you save the A$100 and spend it in the bar. Wait for someone else to get one and maybe borrow it for a test.
     
  19. 168664

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    A very defeatist attitude. Not what I would have expected from an electronics engineer. I would prefer to spend the $100 to make a better "mousetrap".
     
  20. Chris123

    Chris123 New Member

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    Or, set up the rules to allow people to use whatever mousetrap they want, as is the case for tillers, tiller extensions, mainsheet blocks, side deck cleats, and a few other things. Nobody has yet explained how the class benefits from mandating this particular solution, as opposed to letting people try out their own solutions.
     

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