How about a Classic Sunfish Rally??

Discussion in 'Sunfish Talk' started by 58984 EW, May 10, 2010.

  1. 58984 EW

    58984 EW Member

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    I'm curious how many of you out there have an old wooden Sunfish/Sailfish, or even a pre-70s Sunfish that you want to show off?

    The US Masters Sunfish Regatta (the skipper must be 40 years and older) is being held in Barrington RI in August this year. Barrington is something of the home fleet of the Sunfish Class and it being an event for antiques (myself included) I thought I'd see if there is any interest in some kind of Antique Sunfish show @ the Barrington Yacht Club in August.

    I bet it would generate a lot of interest in the national sailing press and regional mainstream media

    Eric Woodman
    New England Rep. to the USSCA
     
  2. chau8238

    chau8238 67 Sunfish

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    I have a 67 fish, but it's in no condition for show. I'm about to put a new coat of paint on it though. I'd loved to see some pics of the show in August.
     
  3. 58984 EW

    58984 EW Member

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  4. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Neat idea!

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  5. Blockhead

    Blockhead New Member

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    I want to race using this hull as long as a racing centerboard will fit. It will hurt like hell to hike this boat with that coaming, but I will give it a try. Do we have to tell them we want to put it to use?

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  6. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    I want to watch the Class Measurer tech-inspect this one. ;)

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  7. 58984 EW

    58984 EW Member

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    No way they are going to let us sail her, but that's some boat!
     
  8. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Maybe this one will show.

    Once the splash guard is back in place on its support rib (what you currently see), as I was reading, it should be ready to sail.



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  9. br549

    br549 New Member

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    Where did you get that vinyl wood grain material???? Who needs gel coat? :)
     
  10. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    :eek: You did say that in jest..., right?

    That's an honest-to-goodness late 1950s wood Sunfish ... no vinyl about it ... just patience and varnish :cool:

    ... same with this one:

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  11. rmwmmw

    rmwmmw New Member

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    Those are some good looking hunks of wood. I notice the polished brass bailer cap. Somebody enjoyed boatbuilding if I read the serial number correctly - 31277 ? Factory wood production had long since ceased at that point, but I guess the wood kits were still available into the later 1960's.
     
  12. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    I've had both all aluminum and all brass. This one looks like a hybrid of parts.

    I've puzzled over the early serial numbering logic since nothing fits the progressive serialization list commonly found, until you get a couple of years into the fiberglass generation. This is the only wood hull I've seen that even had a numbered tag..., I wonder if it's actually off a fiberglass hull. All the wood hull tags I've encountered looked like this...

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    A guess that's as good as any is Alcort was simply stamping the first fiberglass boats with whatever number was printed on the invoice sheet.


    According to the brochures I have, Alcort shop built wood boats were phased out when the fiberglass boats were introduced, Sailfish - 1959, Sunfish - 1960. The kits continued to be available until AMF bought Alcort in 1969.

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    Even after the transfer of ownership, dealers had residual kit boat inventory up into the 1970s.


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  13. rmwmmw

    rmwmmw New Member

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    That all sounds right to me, down to the serial label coming from a glass boat. I started in a new '63 glass fish, but have never laid eyes directly on a wood version. I suppose they are all up north, cuz wood just don't last down here.

    Anyway, we have hijacked the purpose of this thread which was something about a classic boat rally? At the Masters? I'd like to see some old boats.

    I recently purchased a '60's fish that looks in excellent shape from the photos. You don't often find one where the footwell gel-coat is still shiny, let alone the deck and hull. The story is that this boat has been in different garages for nearly 30 years. I am eager to pick it up during my trip to the North Americans. This one's got two diagonal foredeck racing stripes, one black and one blue, on a white deck. You have any brochures that might narrow down the exact year? Owner says it's a '68, but the serial number label is gone. Definitely a '60's fish - deck pully, old rudder assembly, no aft cockpit, pre-AMF (still has original ALCORT label on the hull).
     
  14. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Rick,

    Black has never been a color option so far as I have any record of. This makes me suspect right off the striping your boat has was owner added.

    The first mention I find of foredeck stripes is in the 1965 sales brochure. It was offered on the white hull only where you could get either blue or red striping.

    In 1972 foredeck stripes appeared on all the hull colors and a fore & aft two tone red & blue stripe was added to the white hull options. 1973 saw the first regular application of fore and aft deck stripes for all hull colors.

    General deck stripe example from 1972
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    (see this thread for another brochure picture ... http://www.sunfishforum.com/showthread.php?t=33272 )


    The deck halyard block existed through 1975.

    Do you know if your "new" boat has the bullet shaped horn cleat, a mast top halyard block, or dual deck drain plugs? Those items were all upgraded around 1966 to the current style equipment.

    Oh, and while I was checking I discovered a note in a 1972 (AMF) brochure that kit Sunfish were still available. This inventory must have been inherited from Alcort since I'm positive AMF never made any wood hulls.

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  15. PBA

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    Actually, I think he may be right. I remember those SCUD pictures from a year ago ago - there were a couple of late '60's boats in my area that had this similar type of "non-matching" dual color stripes - as shown below. If I remember correctly, the deck/hull colors of such boats were light tan, not a regular Sunfish white.
     

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  16. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Interesting, thanks... I'll add that to the "not widely publicized -or- short lived" hulls, stripes, and sails collection.

    The Sunfish Bible shows a sail with a daisy print pattern, the other day I saw one with a blue sky and clouds pattern, and I've heard tell of an ocean waves pattern.

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  17. rmwmmw

    rmwmmw New Member

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    That's it! A few pictures of the boat can be found in the "FOR SALE" section of the forum. Alcort Sunfish - hull only (Reading, PA) at the following link http://www.sunfishforum.com/showthread.php?t=33071

    The owner swears that the hull has not been painted, which was my first question. I too have seen other boats like this one. SCUD's stripes look red/blue in some photos and black/blue in others.
     
  18. Wayne

    Wayne Member Emeritus

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    Nice condition !

    Judging from the single drain plug and standard style horn cleat, late 60s seems right.

    If you ever hear the story behind the two color stripe I too would be interested to know.

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  19. PMagnani

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  20. rmwmmw

    rmwmmw New Member

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    Oh my. That red boat, 12140, is a duplicate of my old 1963 "Red Baron" 12942. Too bad about the crushed foredeck. The white boat looks like SCUD. Needs photos of bottoms.
     

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