"coloured laser sail"

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by fatstratblond, Aug 28, 2006.

  1. Laser76489

    Laser76489 Member

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  2. crazysailor

    crazysailor New Member

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    yes they did make them back in the early 80's but by now it wouldn't be very compettitive now if it's any newer it's not race legal. make sure to check for the red laser sticker
     
  3. Radial 171107

    Radial 171107 New Member

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    I saw a coloured sail today, red white and blue. It was an M-rig (Really, really old, wood blades...) :) I wouldn't mind seeing coloured sails making a comeback.
     
  4. Deimos

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    Several years ago I purchased a new spinnaker for OOD (Offshore One Design). Being unable to select a colour and being decidedly unsure about how any would look I went for plain old white. Later that year (when the rest of the new sails arrived) we took the boat out with the sailmaker to tune the rig. He came with somebody else's bright red spinnaker to try that as customer had been unsure about the shape. He commented that our white was the best choice as the coloured ones do not keep their shape as well when wet.


    He "knew his stuff" (being the sail designer for one of the major international racing sail makers - UK loft) - I wonder if the same applies to Laser sail material.


    Ian​
     
  5. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    That's interesting but I can't imagine that that is true with modern technology. Besides, the sailors I know are such sticklers for performance that they'd have white spinnakers if it really made a difference. Has anybody else ever heard of this?
     
  6. sailor327

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    i have never heard about that but i can imagine the dying process could weakin the fibers used in the sail but as merrily said new technologies can probably overcome that.
     
  7. Deimos

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    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]It was about 6 years ago. As a One Design class it was fairly open in terms of adopting new sail fabrics (i.e. generally new sail materials were approved pretty quickly) so the spinnaker material would have been pretty recent technology).[/FONT]​

    Cannot remember the material weight but we were talking about the light-weight spinnaker for a 38 ft highish performance craft thus it was a decent sized sail. Maybe slight effects become that much greater when dealing with larger sail areas.


    Another aspect I can assure you about is that staring at a white sail on a sunny day against a light sky background trying to keep the thing full and pulling optimally is not easy (even with sun glasses), particularly if you think that a reach can be for a long time (8 hrs. plus). Coloured spinnakers thus do have a distinct advantage in terms of seeing what they are doing that may well outweigh any fabric considerations.


    But I still liked the white one (as I tended to helm and thus didn't have to watch it for too long). That said, I can sympathise and the one we had did have coloured tapes on the luff and leech which helped.


    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]Ian[/FONT]​
     
  8. Stewy

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    would you sell you colored sail
     
  9. JayD

    JayD New Member

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    My 1983 Laser "came with" (at least was sold well-used to me with) an orange/ yellow/ white sail which seems to have all the official logos and buttons. I bought an older boat because it was much less expensive for a "starter." I've since pretty much retired the sail (in favor of an Intensity practice one for the time being) because it did look pretty old, was developing holes all over the place, and in particular up at the top was being held together with duct tape, which made it so much harder to rig up, tape sticking on the mast, not wanting to slide all the way up.

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    I am from the greener end of the Laser spectrum, so I can't really speak for if the individual color "chunks" wear evenly or pull apart from each other at an unusual rate, at some elite racing level. However, from a recreational perspective, I did get several outings from the sail after my purchase, on a pretty old sail, so I almost think we're talking "performance characteristics" at some higher level, than how it holds up if you're just knocking around. And the facts that they used to make colored sails, people still sell them now after-market, and we're talking here on a few threads with some level of interest, suggests some level of interest in "other than white."

    That being said, it also strikes me that some of the perception if not reality that "white suffices" may be driven by the racer stereotype of the average Laser owner. Lot of the club racer type boats go white sails. Sunfish and Hobies have selections of colored sails, though Sunfish has the white racing option, but perhaps that reflects the fact those are seen as more knockaround boats anyway (you can buy the white Sunfish sail if you're "serious").

    Maybe it's been thrown out there and then we start talking about wear rates and such and it's like, we won't hear all this if we don't change. All the brouhaha with the other sail ideas bounced around, radial cut but standard size sails, etc., maybe that's caught this too.

    And yet.........you look at America's Cup, Vendee Globe, Volvo Ocean Race.....they somehow manage colored sails. Personally, while I prefer my working Intensity to the old, tattered colored official one, I wouldn't have minded a choice and probably would have picked a decent color combo if available. [But then, that may reflect I'm so new and just knocking around that I'm not fully indoctrinated in caring if the multicolors would wear as well if I did ten races over a few days in a big regatta in heavy winds.....or a whole real racing season in that manner........which brings it full circle?]
     

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