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Winter Storage Standard 14 Laser

Kris Styes

New Member
Hello:

I am new to this Forum, but not new to Laser sailing. I have searched the Laser Forum and find little direct information about my question.

I need some expert help from Laser folks about winter storage of a Laser.

I have a standard Laser 14. I live in Kansas where the winters are VERY cold at times.

I plan on winter storing my Laser is a heated garage. In order to save floor space, I will store the Laser from the garage rafters (not on the rafters, rather hopefully hanging the boat from a set of multiple rafters)

I have never done this before, so I need help understanding the best and safest way to do this and not compromise the integrity of the hull.

My questions are:

Do I rafter hang the Laser right side up? Or, deck facing down?

Either way, how to I support the Laser as to not damage the hull or the deck?

And last, either way, how many support straps or other options do I use, and the spacing of support straps?

Thanks in advance,

Kris
Hutchinson, KS
 

Merrily

Administrator
The gunwale is the strongest part of a Laser. Ideally, you would suspend it right side up with the supports under the rim of the gunwale, with nothing touching the bottom of the hull. If this is not possible, next best is to store the boat on its side, resting either on a port or starboard gunwale, or even on the transom ( pointy side aimed at ceiling). If none of these options can be achieved, then store it deck down, maybe over a piece of plywood so there are no big pressure points from the rafters.

I think that you can buy a rafter hanging system from one of the Laser boat suppliers, but my recollection is that this uses straps under the hull. Not good for long term storage.
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
Re: Winter Storage Standard Laser

Hi Kris
you find an idea to store Lasers "here (scroll down there a bit)" . (LINK IS DEAD)

If I remember correct, some Laser shops at NA offer parts, that allow to store a Laser like it is to bee seen at that link above.
Ciao
LooserLu
 
When buying my new laser I was warned by the local dealer that storing the boat on the dolly gunwhale supports over the winter (as i do) has on occasion damaged the gunwhale and top deck. Has anyone else heard of or expierenced this? I've lost sleep over this just to find it's okay when I check in the spring.
 

jeffers

Active Member
Never heard of a Laser being damaged simply by being left on the trolley. The again the winters here in the UK whilst cold are times are by no means severe. My boat stays on the trolley all year round and in fact gets used all year round.

I would say leaving the boat on the gunwhale hung trolley then fashioing some kind of hoist to get it up to the rafters would work pretty well.
 

mw1670

Member
Here's a $30 solution that works like a charm. It involves 60-100' of 3/8" line (depending on the height of your ceiling, two self-locking pulleys (Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Lowes carry these for about $10.50 ea with a 250 lb rating), 4 good sized eyebolts, and 2 pieces of foam pipe insulation (also from Home Depot).

I've attached photos - its so simple, I won't bore you with the details on what to do once you have the materials - the photos speak for themselves. Basically, I flip the boat over, put the line loops under it, and then pull one line or the the other as I cinch the boat up to its winter storage height.

If some of this still doesn't make sense, let me know. Good luck.
 

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Krycek

Member
When buying my new laser I was warned by the local dealer that storing the boat on the dolly gunwhale supports over the winter (as i do) has on occasion damaged the gunwhale and top deck. Has anyone else heard of or expierenced this? I've lost sleep over this just to find it's okay when I check in the spring.

The gunwhales get worn from regular dolly use. I have a 2001 that I store on a dolly with the supports up and use it quite frequently. I am just beginning to think about a minor gelcoat repair to the underside of the gunwhales.. Much easier to fix and cheaper than worrying about damage to the hull
 

Hoffy

New Member
I store mine upside down from the rafters in my garage too--boat upside down. But I built a rack that hangs from them with 2 X 3's. It is six feet wide with plenty of room for the spars as well. Very easy to lift it in with thee guys. The one thing missing from those pics is a port cut in the hull. If you don't have a port cut in, do that before you hang it--a one hour job start to finish, max. The boat dries out so much more it is not even funny. This is a must have in my experience. I can send pics in a day or two if requested.

Final small detail, in the setup with the boat hanging from the lines...how long are the screw ends of those eye bolts? I through bolted my rack to the rafters. Hate to see one of those eyes pull out and wreck the boat on the floor below...particularly if it whacks you in the head on the way down.
 

hdco1313

New Member
My current boat, 90759, was made in the early 80s and when I bought it had been hanging for 20 years in the guy's garage upside down suspended by a couple of straps like the setup in one of the posts above. The boat is still very tight, deck perfect and solid, same with hull. So it seems that the upside down strap method worked in this case.
 

Kris Styes

New Member
hdco1313:

Sounds like VERY good information. The one I purchased had been sitting / stored on a dolly for about 10 years with little to no damage that I can see.

Thanks for the post

Kris
 

Levent

Member
Hi, If you leave the boat on the dolly (on the gunwale) could the weight of snow be a problem ? I have a big wood patio I was thinking of using it to maybe store the boat on the side. I'm really not sure what to do ...
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
Hi Kris
you find an idea to store Lasers "here (scroll down there a bit)" .
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Hi,
the link at my quote now seems to be "offline". However, I remember to this:
the owner of that website did show 2 photos and has given small descriptions:

One with the Laser hull stored under the roof of his garage, like some other photos (f.e. ~ like those of 'mw1670') also did show at that thread. He did use 2 selfmade wodden beams that hold the hull upside-down (1 beam at the rear deck and 1 beam at the deck ~ at the mast tube). Ropes at the end of the beams went to the floor of the roof, where blocks were fixed as turning points for the ropes. Somewhere at the garage wall, the ropes come together and are fixed. The wodden beams are padded with old carpet.

At another photo, he stored the hull of a Laser to the side to a ~2 meters high solid wodden gardenfence like this -> "ID". The Laser was wrapped into a cheap plastic-cloth and the deck was to the side of the fence. A line/rope (perhaps an old mainsheet) was wrapped around the hull to fix the hull to the fence. Note: If I remember correct, the lowest point of the lower gunwhale is about 50 cm distance to the ground. I don't know, how he lifted up the hull....

Happy Halloween
LooserLu

@ Levent:
I did store my old laser outside at our terrace for 2 winters. I took 2 garden bench's and did put some foam-padds between the deck and the deck of the hull. Worked very well. Sometimes there was much snow over the bow (about 1 meter), no problem fro that storage. Inside of the hull (she had inspection ports) I fixed 3 "drybag's". I put the covers over the hull, additional also a cheap plastic cloth and wrapped a rope arround it and fixed it to the bench's. So, the hull was no "Hotel Waldorf-Astoria" for "squirrels &friends" and also hurricane "Kyrill" didn't damage the hull.
 

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Bungo Pete

Member
My friend and I own three boats (two for him and one for me), and there is not enough room in the small building we have to store them deck-down. But according to some of the older Laser books, it is acceptable to store them on their sides. This is because the gunwales are argueably the strongest part of the boat. We rig up a system of old tires to keep them off the floor and at different heights, and old life jackets to keep them separated. These are all old boats and there appears to be no adverse affect to storing this way. Also, remember to remove the inspection port cover(s) which will let the inside dry out over the winter.

As an aside, yesterday, 1 November, it was a beautiful day here in Portland with a shifty 10k breeze out of the north. This was supposed to be our day to put the boats away, but, well, you know..... :D
 

Bungo Pete

Member
I can tell you that if we had an efficient way to store them flat (deck down), we would do it. However, I will say that my friend stored his two boats on their sides for over 8 years in his garage (moving them around from time to time) while he was in the "lets make babies" mode - with no adverse affects.
 

hdco1313

New Member
Most of the yacht clubs, schools, etc...anyplace with a number of Lasers in one place, seem to store them on the stern.
 

LooserLu

LooserLu
Most of the yacht clubs, schools, etc...anyplace with a number of Lasers in one place, seem to store them on the stern.
Here is an actual photo, taken yesterday, how to do it. My Laser (in her blue covers) already stays at the wall. Her other friends soon did follow as one is able to see, so, she is not alone, during the winter :)
 

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RomanSailer

Member
I live in upstate NY, and hang my boat from open rafters. Here's how.
I got two cheap block and tackles from harbor freight, and two six foot lifting slings, which I looped together. They are the purple ones. I also had an eight footer from a friend - yellow/tan in foto.

My roof trusses run front to back, and are open (no drywall) to below. I took two standard 2x4s and placed them up on top of the trusses, going side to side across the garage. I also attached the two Harbor Freight block and tackles to the roof beams above the trusses. I use the b&t to lift the boat up, loop one end of the lifting sling, onto one end of the two by. Once the boat is high enough, I slip the other end loop of the sling onto the other end of the 2 by. Then I lower the boat onto the slings. Boat runs front to back, 2 by and lifting slings run side to side. The 2-by spans 6 of the trusses, spreading the load. What I have that most don't is open access to the area above the roof trusses. Plus I have an extra high garage ceiling. Kinda dark and crowded up there.

Larry
 

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hiker

New Member
FYI: I was warned by a dealer (and expert boat repairer) that storing a Laser upside down in the North (freezing weather) leads to problems. Moisture always seems to get in from leaks, condensation or gremlins and this moisture settles into the material under the deck, freezes, and delaminates the deck from the reinforcement material (a.k.a. "soft decks"). And as we know, repair is expense or impossible. He strongly suggests that hanging the boat by the gunwales is the safest way to store your Laser in freezing temperatures.
 

Bungo Pete

Member
Hiker makes a good point, which is why you need an inspection port so that the inside can dry out. During the late season here in Maine we can have extended periods with very warm days and very cool (40° F) nights. This makes for some serious condensation inside the boats.

I have experienced situations where the inside of the boat has been perfectly dry and then the boat sits for 10 days (not being sailed) under the conditions described above and found a puddle of water in the trough just forward of the bottom of the mast tube. I have three ports (out of necessity - repairs) and would not recommend installing that many if you can avoid it. But it does allow me to monitor these things.

Just my 2 cents.
 

Levent

Member
Hiker, I think what you're saying really makes sense.

Although hanging the boat upside down from the ceiling is certainly a very convenient way, I wouldn't do it in a garage that is not heated at all.
 
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