This case may not be evidence for that, but there are other examples from the recent past which show that they doAt least is shows that someone in ILCA watches these forums.
Of course, I forgot about that. Has it been ratified by WS yet though? The constitution on the Laser website is still the old one.Since January Rule 31 was modified to shorten the rule voting process from six months to one month and removing “votes to be sent by post”.
I tried. It looks like ILCA has registered "ILCA" and "ILCA Standard" in EU and US. Then there's a "Weather Helm, Inc." that has registered "ILCA" as well. They have also registered "Gamma" in the US and Jamaica; the Jamaican application was filed in June of last year, and there's no sign of "Gamma" (for sailing purposes!) before that. Go figure.try a few trademark searches.
They chose the new name years ago.
Somebody probably just forgot to change that. The new text is in rule 31.The constitution on the Laser website is still the old one.
I don't think anybody's going to set up a "Gamma company" from scratch. ILCA has already said that several existing boatbuilders are ready to add the Laser/Torch/Gamma to their range, and if they don't call the product "Laser" or use the ray insignia, LP shouldn't have anything to say to that.Who would be willing to invest the millions it takes to set up a Gamma company when there are so many unresolved liabilities related to LP’s rights?
There is no rule about that now; that's what we will most likely vote for in the near future.Where is the ILCA constitution or class rules is there power granted to its officers to abandon the Laser name or jet boats play in its games that are not produced by a builder with rights to use the name Laser?
Depends on how many WS stickers LP has left, and how fast the new builders get going. A wild guess would be a few months. PSA and PSJ will help a little, too, so we shouldn't have a total break at any point.How long will we be without a supply of new boats?
LP doesn't hold a Laser copyright, because no one does. Even Kirby doesn't have any "design rights" (this was discussed very extensively a few years ago). The builders only have the rights to the trademarked name and logo. A non-profit organization like ILCA or WS should be free to choose to operate using products carrying those or any other trademarks.We already know LP has successfully defended its territory.
Will it really work to tell the judge:
This time we changed the name of the exact same product because we decided to throw the copyright holder out of the market.
No one, if the boats have a WS sticker on them. If LP builds stickerless Lasers, then it's the judges' and measurers' job to keep them out. (And of course, other sailors can protest, too.)when people show up at regattas with brand new Lasers, who is going to turn them away?
No no no. That really works only with classes which have an option for homebuilding. The strength of the Laser is that you don't need any actual measurement... you just buy the stuff and go sailing.The Gamma Class needs to have a measurement system
Like Fireballs have. There is no reason it matters who Made the boat.
Ok, I see the difference now. Might have changed that as well to keep them identical.that relates to changes to the class rules. Not the same thing as changes to the constitution - that still needs six months and a postal ballot.
Equipment has always and will always leave the factory that doesn't measure in, the quantity can be reduced with QC.No no no. That really works only with classes which have an option for homebuilding. The strength of the Laser is that you don't need any actual measurement... you just buy the stuff and go sailing.
I can't really comment on whether those items are in spec or outside spec. But discussion with Chris 10 years ago suggested that at the time the ILCA had an issue with the consistency of the boats leaving PSA. For example if the tolerance was +/- 1kg, PSA could build with in 0.1kg. LP were getting upset because they needed the larger tolerance, despite PSA willingness to train the LP staff both in Australia and the UK but LP wasn't interested.