I tend to agree with LaLi. I would think they would use something that incorporated the L in ILCA. However, maybe they are thinking of rebranding the class worldwide to a trademark they own entirely. It's going to be odd to use 2 different names depending on which region the boat is sold in. I could see the class buying a domain quietly 'just in case' a few years ago. Its not like the fight with LP is anything new.
Gamma is cool, still a type of light. Logo could still be a beam of light in some altered but not entirely that different form.
I tried. It looks like ILCA has registered "ILCA" and "ILCA Standard" in EU and US. Then there's a "Weather Helm, Inc." that has registered "ILCA" as well. They have also registered "Gamma" in the US and Jamaica; the Jamaican application was filed in June of last year, and there's no sign of "Gamma" (for sailing purposes!) before that. Go figure.
The constitution on the Laser website is still the old one.
So many concerns:
**Who would be willing to invest the millions it takes to set up a Gamma company when there are so many unresolved liabilities related to LP’s rights??
**( Understand before reading further>>>
I was one who advocated for changing the name and cutting loose from the rights holder years ago) Where is the ILCA constitution or class rules is there power granted to its officers to abandon the Laser name or jet boats play in its games that are not produced by a builder with rights to use the name Laser?
** How long will we be without a supply of new boats? We already know LP has successfully defended its territory.
Will it really work to tell the judge:
This time we changed the name of the exact same product because we decided to throw the copyright holder out of the market. ???
** when people show up at regattas with brand new Lasers, who is going to turn them away?
I will answer that one: The Gamma Class needs to have a measurement system
Like Fireballs have. There is no reason it matters who Made the boat. All that matters is the boat sails just like the other new boats.
I don't think anybody's going to set up a "Gamma company" from scratch. ILCA has already said that several existing boatbuilders are ready to add the Laser/Torch/Gamma to their range, and if they don't call the product "Laser" or use the ray insignia, LP shouldn't have anything to say to that.
Where is the ILCA constitution or class rules is there power granted to its officers to abandon the Laser name or jet boats play in its games that are not produced by a builder with rights to use the name Laser?
Depends on how many WS stickers LP has left, and how fast the new builders get going. A wild guess would be a few months. PSA and PSJ will help a little, too, so we shouldn't have a total break at any point.
We already know LP has successfully defended its territory.
Will it really work to tell the judge:
This time we changed the name of the exact same product because we decided to throw the copyright holder out of the market.
LP doesn't hold a Laser copyright, because no one does. Even Kirby doesn't have any "design rights" (this was discussed very extensively a few years ago). The builders only have the rights to the trademarked name and logo. A non-profit organization like ILCA or WS should be free to choose to operate using products carrying those or any other trademarks.
when people show up at regattas with brand new Lasers, who is going to turn them away?
Equipment has always and will always leave the factory that doesn't measure in, the quantity can be reduced with QC.
I used to be really annoying to PSA, as I used to find a heap of equipment that failed to measure, straight from the factory door. Ever laser used at the Terrigal World 10 years ago had to have their hiking strap changed because of the two loop rule. A significant number of the bottom sections used at the Radial Worlds in Auckland a few weeks had their sleeves in the bottom section lowed to the correct position a few weeks later (the guy installing them found a short cut and it resulted in them not sitting down all the way). Then you had the old batten style issue that lasted for decades, where they were 2mm to long. Thankfully PSA under the current manager has been very active in making QC a major issue.
I can't really comment on whether those items are in spec or outside spec. But discussion with Chris 10 years ago suggested that at the time the ILCA had an issue with the consistency of the boats leaving PSA. For example if the tolerance was +/- 1kg, PSA could build with in 0.1kg. LP were getting upset because they needed the larger tolerance, despite PSA willingness to train the LP staff both in Australia and the UK but LP wasn't interested.
The issue is are the boats leaving the PSA factory built not following the construction manual or are outside the class specs. I suspect PSA is building within tolerance but at the optimum locations within those tolerances and this is just sour grapes from LP.