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The problem I find with sailing vids/dvds and, for the matter, books is the emphasis on sea sailing with lots of advice and tips for waves/surfing. For us lake sailors, waves aren't much of an issue!144679 said:got both upwind and donwind n both are superb THE best sailing dvds i seen
MScott said:Just scale the techniques to the conditions you do sail in. Surely you are moving your weight forward and backward upwind in even small lake chop?
Even the smallest waves affect a laser.
Just like open water, there are moments of flat water and choppy water (what
about boat wake?)
besides, they have to be fun to watch. I can't wait to get a copy.
crazyuncle said:The problem I find with sailing vids/dvds and, for the matter, books is the emphasis on sea sailing with lots of advice and tips for waves/surfing. For us lake sailors, waves aren't much of an issue!
I like waves. Our little pond is 122,500 acres.144679 said:50 Acers !! up here in leeds our lake is only 19 acres
MScott said:I'll try to make the point that I made ealier. I have sailed a laser in everything under the sun. Small regattas on small lakes, the mississippi river, gulf of mexico, lake michigan, huron, and superior.
I am here to tell you that if you are "serious" about making your boat go fast and faster than you competitors, every wave f@#$%^ matters. You can surf a laser on very small waves. A very small wave, (in)correctly placed can slow you WAY down. They all impact the hull. If you think that just because you are on a lake that you don't have to figure out how to surf or get around waves that will slow you down, you are wrong. Watch the dvds and learn what you can about them. People make these types of movies because that is where the majority of their target audience sails. That is where a majority of the competitive events are held- big and small. Quit whining.
MScott said:there ARE waves where you sail. you will not convince me
otherwise
MScott said:who is that guy? tell him to shut the hell up
MScott said:if what you do when you are sailing upwind (even in the smallest of chop) is "lean out a bit" and watch the scenery go by, you are NOT maximizing your boatspeed upwind
Good job, Merrily!Merrily said:Well, no, but I'd appreciate it if I don't have to keep editing out the f word, which I WILL do. There's those caps, which I mean.
Merrily
crazyuncle said:We're talking very small lake here, about 50 acres in a very rough 'L' shape - there's never anything like a wave, and they only power boat on it is the safety boat. Another thing about vids books etc. is they all assume a standard course - some races we go around six marks in a very convoluted course!
MasterMike said:Good job, Merrily!
Can't we...can't we all just get along?
MScott said:I find it funny that people think that I am attacking them or something like that. Sorry I used capital letters-geesh. So, for the record, I am being civil and not attacking anyone.
Ok, here's what I mean. Lakes generally do not generate big waves, but they do generate small waves, sometimes fairly steep ones, and in short periods of time. Additionally these waves are almost always close together. All I meant was that if what you do when you are sailing upwind (even in the smallest of chop) is "lean out a bit" and watch the scenery go by, you are NOT maximizing your boatspeed upwind (sorry capitals again). I contend that upwind, no matter what the windspeed, you will almost always encounter waves (chop, whatever you want to call it, whatever the size and shape) that WILL affect your boatspeed. You can counteract that by shifting your body weight fore and aft as well as twisting your shoulders athwartships. You don't have to do this, but in a race, whoever does it better will beat you.
Now, downwind. On small lakes on breezy days there will be small lake chop, no? I, again, contend that those waves affect your boatspeed. So, maybe you aren't surfing them, I never said you should be. I said maybe you could be. What you should be doing, however, is avoiding running into them and being ready, if for any reason (boat wake, acts of god) there is one you can catch for a little surf.
Last month I tried keeping up with Brad Funk downwind in 12, maybe 14 knots of offshore wind (read: small almost nonexistent, very lake-like waves). Guess who was surfing every wave he could and guess who won every race. Hint: not me.