viktor188924
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I have seen some people rig their outhauls on the back of the boom:
Have any of you tried this?
Have any of you tried this?
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One of them is the bungee for the clew.That system has three control lines? If it does it's not race legal.
umm ahhh, pardon my ignorance, but that pic at the top shows 8:1 purchase (2:1 at the clew, then another 2 x 2:1 near the cleat). Why so much purchase? Does anyone ever need that much? If I pulled as hard as I could on that, I dont think my boat would respond very well at all. Surely 4:1, saving the extra weight, would be better?
Ross,I just like to keep it all near the mast, the less weight at the end of the boom the better, keep it lighter back there
I have 2 singles on the mast, and a single with a becket on the outhaul, and the outhaul line at it's loosest doesn't go past the vang
Umm yeah thats what I use right now. It's pretty much the only other system possible if you want to take full use of the 7 turning points that are allowed, right? I dont think that rigging it this way would be any slower.with my version, you can leave the control line on the boom, and the 2 singles on the mast, run the control through 1 on the mast back to the boom block and back to #2 on the mast, and down to the deck, takes like 10 seconds
Yeah I agree with your point that every bit helps... but I take apart all of my control lines everytime I derig anyway. I mean, being on a race team I kind of just rig with everyone else... nobody goes out until everyone's finished. However I do agree with you, but I'd love it if the newbs wouldn't be so slow at rigging. Then we'd get out quick.I tried the system you've shown in your drawing, but I've since moved to the system described and drawn in this thread instead.
http://laserforum.org/showthread.php?t=5228
Works better with less friction.
And Ross, as you say, every little bit helps. A system left rigged on the boom is an extra 5 minutes on the water improving my sailing, vs. in the parking lot rigging the boat. Every little bit helps. ;-)
I'm not trying to criticize you, but do you actually think that weight there would actually affect anything? I mean, theoretically it would, theoretically everything you change on a boat would have some kind of affect... The way Ross rigs its not any more purchase... depending on whether you use a block with a becket vs a single block/no block. With standard rigging its either 9:1 or 6:1.umm ahhh, pardon my ignorance, but that pic at the top shows 8:1 purchase (2:1 at the clew, then another 2 x 2:1 near the cleat). Why so much purchase? Does anyone ever need that much? If I pulled as hard as I could on that, I dont think my boat would respond very well at all. Surely 4:1, saving the extra weight, would be better?
Umm, wouldnt there be less line in the boat with more purchase?You can also end-up with miles of line in the cockpit (when the clew is pulled tight) with so much purchase.
Ian
That system has three control lines? If it does it's not race legal.
Umm, wouldnt there be less line in the boat with more purchase?
And that's what electrician's knots are for. Getting rid of excess line?
I take offense to that.On a two to one purchase, for every 6 ins of clew movement you pull 1 ft of line into the cockpit. On a 4 to 1 its 6ins clew movement for 2 ft line. On a 8 to 1 its 6ins clew movement giving you 4 ft on line in the cockpit. Its how purchases work !! (ignore the fact that my maths is embarrassing)
Most people do not have time to stop and start tying fancy knots to tidy-up the line they have just pulled into the cockpit when tightening clew outhaul. Also, if you want to release it, you don't want to be messing around undoing some fancy knot you wasted time making when tightening the outhaul. When you need to tighten the outhaul, most people will pull on the line and leave that additional line taken in alone and ready to be released.
Who taught you to sail ?
Ian
how about:
how about:
hi, (first post, after a lot of reading)
over here in H.K. alot of *us* use the method by viktor188924 (the one from the diagram, not the picture). however what we do is that we tie a bowline in the red line so that the loop goes around the boom and the tail then goes along the boom and down. we do this to keep it up and out of the way.
is it legal ?
kp
That's the system I use. To attach and disconnect the block at the gooseneck end of the boom, I have a short line with a knot tied in the end that is looped around the mast and sits above the gooseneck fitting. To attach the block, I double the line with the knot, push it throught hte becket and push the knot through the loop formed by the double line coming out of the becket. Then pull it tight. The knot locks the loop. Easy. I've tested it in stupid crazy wind speeds so all is good. Just makes riggin up etc that much faster. I don't have to remove the outhaul line or any of my sheet loops and positions everytime I de-rig. Everything stays where i had it last time.
i cant really visualize this. do you leave the outhaul on the boom or...