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Horizon

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As far as I am aware, it is just a Performance Sailcraft (Europe) manufacturing number and I haven't seen any details as to how to interpret it in relation to build date etc..

The sail (hull) number, should be on a plate on back wall of the cockpit.
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
GB = country of manufacture
PSE = builder
LS = type of boat
1343 = the number of this type of boats this builder made that year up to and including this one (I think)
J = building month (October)
5 = building year (2005)
06 = model year (2006)

The sail number should be about 185000.

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LaLi

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The sail number should be about 185000.
Got name of ownership and number 184993.
Well, that was fairly close :D :eek:

Some guy says 180 000 series were good.
Probably not significantly better or worse than any other vintage... but at least PSE was still PSE (and not LP) at the time, and under old leadership. Whether there actually was any drop in quality after that may be impossible to find out, as any differences are bound to be very small. Some people over here certainly anticipated/perceived it like that, and imported some barely-used Vanguards from the USA, with 191xxx and 192xxx sail numbers.

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HelgeS

Member
Under tow with a powerrib, I saw that boats with a 21x xxx number had a narrower keelbox. No water was splashing up from theat slot, but in mine (84229/1980) there was a fountain. I have read that the ICE BLUE series were made with Australian standard: Narrow keelbox and 300g extra polyester in the bottom front.
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
The tolerances for something like the width of the centreboard opening aren't public, but in no way are they large enough to cause the described difference. There must have been something else going on. Helge, did you actually measure those? How big is the difference?

The "300 g extra polyester" probably refers to the two fibreglass patches that PSA introduced to prevent the bottom forward end of the centreboard opening cracking due to high-speed towing. They were applied prematurely to production boats, but this was solved by LP adopting them, too (although LP later used the incident to complain about unfair treatment by ILCA). Whether that coincided with the colour change from Vela Grey to Ice Blue (in early 2016) I don't know.

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HelgeS

Member
Yes, I have read that. And since they dont allow any inspection, nobody knows how Iceblue and later boats have been made. Rastegar have a strange way of destructing the Laser class. Now he thinks that he can make more money on ILCA clones than joining the ILCA society in a responsible way. A true egoistic Business man. Hit and quit.
 

HelgeS

Member
16462102230846656204602736025026.jpg Turned the Laser upside down and started to get the single comp paint off. But there are two layers. Maybe three. And deep down there is white gelcoat. So the boats of the seventies were painted in different colours?16462105204445080770925150187400.jpg16462105832137924447470778738943.jpg
 

LaLi

Well-Known Member
The builders never painted the boats. Looks like an earlier owner or two of that boat did, though.

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HelgeS

Member
Lali, you are right. One layer of white putty, two layers of single komponent paint. Under there is green gelcoat. Weak areas beside the keel. IMG_20220307_111620.jpg
 
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