Intro / newb questions - Billygoat

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Greetings Laser people.
I picked up my first laser today. I'm located in Ballarat, Australia. I sailed quite a bit as a kid, then had a few decades off before getting a 14' catamaran, 2 years ago, which I've been enjoying alone (and with my 11 yo daughter) on the inland lakes around here.
Now planning to join the local Laser fleet and work up to a bit of racing.
I have got myself an older hull ("35656" on the transom; not sure if this is the actual original sail number or a build code to be decoded) with a newer sail (192*** full rig, with a measurement stamp from the 2010 Australian nationals). Very cheap, on trailer with dolly and hull cover, not expecting everything to be perfect.

And it's not perfect. First issue is an incomplete rig.

Spars are intact (planning to end-swap my upper section due to 2-rivet collar). Vang saddle on my lower section will need to be re-rivetted, but it's there.

Boom appears to be sleeved. Mid-span mainsheet pulley is a basic nylon block, is nearly seized, and is mounted directly on a saddle rivetted to the boom. Not sure if it's legit, but it will work for a first launch at least. I have a rivetted saddle where I would expect the strap to be. Boom-end pulley has bearings; is tired but okay. There's about 10m of ~7mm mainsheet. There's a clew strap on the boom.

Control rigging... I'm lost. No turbo kit. Just these pulleys and the foredeck clam cleat:
IMG_20190210_211156.jpg
No vang key at all (boom has a key slot), so I'm certain I'm missing some things. Don't know if these pulleys are even proper laser parts.

There's 2x ~8 foot red, and 1x ~12 foot black ~5mm control lines. And one short one (~3 foot?) with a daisy-chained handle tied in the end.

Somehow out of this mess I will need to make up an outhaul, vang and Cunningham.

Any suggestions? "Throw it all away and get a turbo kit" is a legitimate suggestion, but will add more than 50% to my investment so far.

Foils are in okay shape. Look to be timber, so very old. Daggerboard case in the hullmay need repair, seems to be separated at the seam. Mast socket had some water in the bottom, so there's that going for it.

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Traveller is old nasty line, too small to even hold in the cleat.

Keen to bodge something together and get on the water, but will have to order some bits (nearest proper chandlery is an hour's drive away).

What bits do I need?

-goat
 

LaLi

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"35656" on the transom; not sure if this is the actual original sail number or a build code to be decoded)
That sounds like a real sail/hull number from 1976 or '77.

Mid-span mainsheet pulley is a basic nylon block, is nearly seized, and is mounted directly on a saddle rivetted to the boom. Not sure if it's legit, but it will work for a first launch at least. I have a rivetted saddle where I would expect the strap to be. Boom-end pulley has bearings; is tired but okay. There's about 10m of ~7mm mainsheet.
The original sheet blocks are plain nylon blocks from Allen and attached to the boom as you describe; the aft boom block is probably illegal if it has ball bearings, unless it's the kind of new Harken Laser-specific block.
The sheet should be about 13.5 metres long. Six or seven millimetres is a good thickness.

No vang key at all (boom has a key slot), so I'm certain I'm missing some things. Don't know if these pulleys are even proper laser parts.

There's 2x ~8 foot red, and 1x ~12 foot black ~5mm control lines. And one short one (~3 foot?) with a daisy-chained handle tied in the end.

Somehow out of this mess I will need to make up an outhaul, vang and Cunningham.
You absolutely need a vang key.
Triple blocks are illegal in the Laser, and the fiddle block in the picture is probably too big (>30 mm diameter sheave).
Hard to say how those lines were meant to be rigged.
I'm tempted to say, throw it all away... :D But you're right that you don't need to spend all the money that the "new" control line kits cost.

Are the Clamcleats made of plastic or metal?
Could you post pictures of all the boom fittings, as well as the traveller blocks and fairleads?

I'll look at what your local/national dealers offer and come back later, ok?

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The original sheet blocks are plain nylon blocks from Allen and attached to the boom as you describe; the aft boom block is probably illegal if it has ball bearings, unless it's the kind of new Harken Laser-specific block.
Heres my boom:
IMG_20190211_064753.jpg
Key slot with no key IMG_20190211_064759.jpg
Nylon pulley has been re-saddled at some point and isn't good now IMG_20190211_064818.jpg
Plastic clam cleat and a saddle where I expected a strap IMG_20190211_064845.jpg
Boom end. My mistake, may not be bearings. Looks like most lasers I've seen. Markings on block are worn and very hard to read.

The sheet should be about 13.5 metres long. Six or seven millimetres is a good thickness.
Length guestimate was made by folding it in 8, eyeballing and saying "that's about 4 foot *8", so may well be 13.5m

You absolutely need a vang key.
Triple blocks are illegal in the Laser, and the fiddle block in the picture is probably too big (>30 mm diameter sheave).
Hard to say how those lines were meant to be rigged.
I'm tempted to say, throw it all away... :D But you're right that you don't need to spend all the money that the "new" control line kits cost.
Looks like I have a new downhaul for my catamaran then. Good, I needed one.

If I'm buying a complete vang, I may just spring for a complete new style one. That's A$450 worth of hardware on to a A$1200 boat, but so be it.

Are the Clamcleats made of plastic or metal?
Could you post pictures of all the boom fittings, as well as the traveller blocks and fairleads?
IMG_20190211_065135.jpg 15498293853788042730656050796002.jpg IMG_20190211_065205.jpg
IMG_20190211_065212.jpg IMG_20190211_065225.jpg IMG_20190211_065008.jpg

So, a few jobs to do, but mostly fixable.

Thanks for your help
 

LaLi

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Great pictures! Now it's a lot easier to give further advice.

Just a quick rundown for now:
  • the vang key fitting looks ok
  • the forward sheet block is not ok! It's an illegal block, an illegal strap, and it's fitted in a way that weakens the boom considerably at that point ( :eek:four extra holes at the same cross-section)
  • the centre eye strap for the sheet is ok (we can talk about plastic Clamcleats later)
  • the aft end of the boom is ok in all aspects; the forward sheet block should be this same Allen model (without the becket) and attached the same way
  • the traveller blocks and line are ok
  • the traveller fairleads are illegal; only Allen A 282 and 282A (like those for the cunningham and outhaul) are ok here
  • the mast hole looks badly worn and needs some new fibreglass
  • the aft end of the cockpit looks ok except for the one rusty bolt
  • the vang tang looks ok except for that one rivet.
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