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Well, there are those amongst us who have said an entirely new class association has been needed for years. It's just too bad it has taken such a situation to give rise to the re-group.

Hm, I thought somebody said (back a page or two) that LP was "dead in the water" in the UK, too. Ya can't tell me boat builders have been making any money in the last few years. Plus the people who sail little boats were the hardest hit by the poor economy so they'll be a while getting back to...

I'm guessing they have electronic meetings, so that decisions don't wait 6 months. (like it used to be) Maybe ILCA has delayed this long hoping ISAF would reverse their decision to approve the rule change? They didn't, so now ILCA is up to bat.

The decision-making process is cumbersome, and getting a volunteer council together - even electronically - to set the process in motion is like herding cats. Sounds to me like Tracy's been herding the cats for nearly a month now . . ? This delay is being caused by your representatives trying to...

Easy there, Tillerman. ILCA are not the only "representatives" of sailors in this mess. Also those currently sailing the boat are not the only ones concerned about it, either. I'd like to think I'll be buying a Torch for my grand daughter in a few years so she can be a world class sailor. On...

Jeffers is right, and ILCA has ignored offers by BK to sit down and find a way forward. Why? Did the lawyer tell them not to meet with him? He should have told them not to get involved. So did they seek the very expensive legal advice before they instigated the rule change? It seems pretty...

Has anybody asked Tracy if the ILCA Exec ever saw and read an actual written report from the lawyer that Jeff paid 60,000 pounds of members' money for? That's supposedly where they got the information that the builders didn't really need an agreement with Bruce Kirby Inc. because it was "mostly...

Well, yeah. If BK can get all the Laser trademarks back by proving that Rastegar's company 'abandoned' them then he might not have to change the name of the boat. I don't think he can get them all back, though. They may not have abandoned the Laser trademark that pertains to the actual boat...

No exception taken here to meetISAF's handle. If you belong to a recognized club, or better yet pay dues to your National Authority, you are ISAF. Those folks sitting at the big meeting? They are all there representing you and me! And of course you're right, Lu, all the important discussion of...

As to reversing their positions, if ISAF reverses, ILCA has no choice. Contact your Member National Authority rep (whoever will be in Copenhagen) right now for this weekend's ISAF meeting. AlanD, yes a total of 1139 votes - just over 11% of members voted. (assuming still around 10,000...

Why would anyone bother to do the survey unless they knew what the issue was, and who Bruce Kirby, Laser Performance, ILCA, ISAF and Global Sailing are. I'd think that would be a group of mostly Laser sailors, wouldn't you?

Where's the "fatal blow"? Are all the boats going to disappear? Are all the people who love to sail them going somewhere? Will all current Laser regattas be cancelled if the name is changed? Of course not. If BK wins the class will go on with little change except the name of the boat. If he...

Just to add, nice survey, Gantt! Thanks. Getting 110 people to respond in less than 24 hours is good going. The results are no surprise. Well, maybe a bit that there were actually 6 people who do not support Kirby.

I don't think it will be such a painful, long transition from Laser to Torch class. The same boats will be used, the same people will sail them and very likely the same volunteers will step up to help with organization and member support. Nothing has to change but the name, and the management...

Yabbut . . . (I always wanted to name a boat that . . ) a vote of the members of ILCA worldwide takes a very long time to organize and execute. Quicker, and possibly more effective action would be to contact whoever is going to the ISAF meeting this coming weekend from US Sailing. Most likely...

Sure do sympathize with you, and anybody else who's bought a boat recently Lu. Yes, it's a political "death roll" but as you say, we can be optimists. Have faith that the boat will right itself, and a good solution will be worked out so that all former "Lasers" will become Kuehlschranktuer™ (or...

The piece quoted above originated at www.kirbytorch.com/news You should go there and read Kirby's letter, at least. Then read the Feedback section. I don't see any strings being pulled. Most people see this as a right or wrong situation, and that Bruce Kirby is right on all counts. It's too...

Well, there already are supply problems, aren't there. The broke builders in NA and UK haven't been paying their suppliers, so there are few if any parts to rig the boats even if they do build hulls not to mention no spare parts to be had. Anybody who buys a new Laser (even from Japan or Aus)...

I guess there will be nothing new until ISAF meets this week. Wonder if they can back-pedal fast enough to get out of the lawsuit? Will they withdraw on making the new plaques, and just agree to change the name of the Olympic single-handers to Torch, then go on, business as usual? Or will they...

Hey all, old, old ILCA Council member here. Jeffers is so right, it is a "right royal mess". But I think it's important to remember that everyone, (except the pirate who has scuttled the European and US builders) wants the Laser sailboat to continue to be built, and all old and new Lasers to be...