Which one, Harken vang or Holt vang?

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by JuanCH, Aug 4, 2009.

  1. JuanCH

    JuanCH Member

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    I know it's been discussed but I am deciding to upgrade my vang system and I need to know the pros and cons of each one. I ve read something on the ropes getting crossed in the Holt model. Your thoughts will be much appreciated!
    Juan
     
  2. Kratos

    Kratos Member

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    I've used both and I have to say I prefer the Holt. I like the way the cleat swivels. The top block is also beefier.

    Yeah, the lines cross at one point, but if you're using good line, it's not really an issue.
     
  3. Pop-n-Jack

    Pop-n-Jack Member

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    I had both at one point in my upgrading of hulls, I like harken better.

    Plus, Harkenized is a pretty sweet word, that I like being able to use to describe my boat.
     
  4. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    To put things into perspective, at the Worlds held last year in Australia (Standard Open and Masters) and New Zealand ((Radial, Mens, Womens and Youths), a total of about 800 competitors, there were a handful of the original vangs and none of the new Holt vangs, essentially everyone was using the Harken vangs. From a popularity aspect the Harken Vang is the most popular of those attending the Worlds.
     
  5. Sailorchick

    Sailorchick Member

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    HARKEN

    The holt is useless, fails and has additional friction. The Harken works perfectly and lasts for years (I only got a new one this year as some twunt stole mine and it was 6 years old and going strong)
     
  6. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    HARKEN

    I have 1 of each on my boat at the minute (Harken on the 8.1 bottom section, Holt on the standard).

    The Harken one does what it says on the tin. The Holt one seems to let go at the most inopportune moments. I have also heard stories of the Holt ones failing under load but never a Harken one failing.

    As soon as I have some spare cash the Holt bottom assembly is being replaced with a Harken.

    The fact that pretty much every top guy (and gal) (Robert Schiedt being an exception, he used the 'old' style vang) uses a Harken vang should tell you all you need to know.
     
  7. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Robert Schiedt + Michael Blackburn, Brett Beyer (from memory) (multiple apprentice champion) etc.
     
  8. Braecrest

    Braecrest Member

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    HARKEN or Original

    I have had both Harken and Holt, one on each boat, and the Holt suffered a complete failure during a heavy pounding upwind leg. It would have been awesome to watch if it wasn't my brother's, parts just went everywhere. So now we have my Harken and the original with spectra line jury rigged old shool stlye on my Fiancee's boat.
     
  9. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    Just because the hotshots sail with a certain rig doesn't mean everyone should copy it verbatim. A gold medalist may find that a gajillion-to-one vang work well for him, but other may find that the excess line gets tangled in thier mainsheet. You need to invest the time to find what works for YOU.

    That being said, the Harken vang rocks.
     
  10. Sailorchick

    Sailorchick Member

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    Very true. My husband has the harken vang but has adapted it to have slightly less purchase as he is strong enough he doesn't need it all so why have all the string in the cockpit. A few of the guys at my club have done similar.
     
  11. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Tangles be gone. Tie the vang tail to the centerboard, per Vtgent49's suggestion.
     
  12. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    It does seem that Mr Holt has to go back to the drawing board :eek:

    PS: Happy with my Harken vang system.
     
  13. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    Sailorchick,

    Any chance of a couple of pictures of what he has done?

    Paul
     
  14. Sailorchick

    Sailorchick Member

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    Pics attached, lasts ones a bit blurry so not that clear. I'm sure he'll (Lasernut) be on here sometime today so can explain how he has rigged it better himself.
     

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  15. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Sailorchick, you might want to consider moving your handle 30cm further away from the cleat, but put a stopper knot where the handle is currently located to prevent the vang being released to far. By doing this you won't need to stretch as far forward when pulling the vang on. However, be careful how far away you move it as it may then limit how far you can use the handle to pull the vang on.
     
  16. Sailorchick

    Sailorchick Member

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    The pics are Lasernuts kicker, set up how he likes it.

    Mine is left as standard with all the purchase in it. I don't tie my handle to the daggerboard as I have never been able to get on with that set up. I do have a stopper not so the handle is slighltly away from the block to make it easier to reach. Does mean I very rarely actually use the handle though as I'd be lying on the transom at times to get tension with the amount of string
     
  17. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    I can understand that, the 15:1 system requires a lot of line. For what it's worth, Lasernut's system is a 12:1. I use a 10:1 system as pictured below.
     

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  18. LASERNUT

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    Just to let you know I've changed it again from those photos ;) I'll take some photos on the weekend and post them on Monday.
     
  19. StJulian

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    I think the Harken looks better but I have used the Holt for about 4 years racing every week and never had a problem with it. I am just noticing now that the cleat is starting to wear the sheet a little.
    The many club owned Lasers I have sailed in the USA have all had Harken vangs (or else the original fittings). I may be wrong here but the Harken vangs used seemed to be slightly different in design to the ones I have seen in the Uk. I assumed they were just a cheap imitation and I certainly did not like them very much. I now take my own gear with me.
    If these were indeed the genuine article I am pleased I bought Holt.
     
  20. Nathan Omand

    Nathan Omand New Member

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    Out of interest, why would you change the purchase to a 12:1 or a 10:1 when there is the opportunity for 15:1 which 15:1 which is better?
     

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