Velocitek (sp?) Legal? Can't be...

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by Rob B, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    I'd say the function that allows you to program the location of the starting line into the device and it tells you where you are in relation to the line is specifically GPS driven and there to fore and unfair cheater pants type of device!
     
  2. WPB Sailor

    WPB Sailor New Member

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    Cheater or not this is the sort of technology that should be on the boat. If you can't afford the $250 you should move down to a sunfish.

    The Laser needs

    1) New sail
    2)New Blocks
    3)Electronics of our choice.
     
  3. captainJack987

    captainJack987 New Member

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    Agreed, you do not need a fancy pants gps dohicky to sail a laser if you want one so bad sail yachts.
     
  4. Ross B

    Ross B Guest


    4. New carbon wing mast. (but thats just me..)
    5. A boom that will accept a footed mainsail, so we can do away with these clew straps


    I could also think of some other minor rules changes I would like to make, most of which have been posted here, if your brave enough to look!
     
  5. Chainsaw

    Chainsaw Brmmm Brmmm

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    6. New hull shape
    7. trapeze
     
  6. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    lets not get too unrealistic Saw.... :)
     
  7. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    I've already experienced the "arms race" with my J24 and J22, (not nearly as bad on the 22). If you need to spend money I'm sure there is a Farr40 somewhere nearby with you name all over it.

    That said, the sail change for the laser is coming only to extend the life of the product as are the blocks and radial carbon top sections.

    If you want to see what hi-tech gadgetry does to a dingy class just look at the Finn, 470 and a few others. In contrast look at the enormous success of the laser as it is. Opening the rule book to loose interpretations on electronics, carbon spars and other costly modern marvels and you will witness the decline of the class.

    I've stated this opinion until I'm blue in the face. I'm done now.
     
  8. captainJack987

    captainJack987 New Member

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    But think of all the fuss it would raise you've seen what minor things people bring up that turn into four page long arguments think of all those new changes. It would turn the laser world upside down and shake it repeatedly.
     
  9. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Chainsaw, I think you are yanking my chain.:rolleyes:
     
  10. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Why do you think it needs this?

    BTW, have you joined the class yet?;)
     
  11. GBR 134

    GBR 134 Member

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    You are all nuts - most I guess is tongue in cheek to take the mickey out of Ross B, it won't work! He is an American College Kid - they generally don't get Irony!

    Ross you have stated previously that you are aiming for a Finn but are not yet big enough. Maybe you should consider the OK, designed as a Finn trainer, hulls certainly allow epoxy and probably carbon. The mast is carbon (I think) and certainly they set great store by adjusting the rake and the internal fit out is completely optional. You would get your wish for a footed main, though I'd allow you one on the Laser, as I'm sure it would be slower. I suspect that you would miss out on electronics, as I doubt they are allowed. As to electronics I'm surprised you quote dinghy classes being allowed Velocitek as I didn't think any classes allowed GPS for racing. I use a Tacktik in my other boat, as it is allowed and definitely easier to pick the size of shifts (not better just easier). Given the choice I would ban them from this class too, nothing to do with cost I have one and I can afford it, but because its easier and thus reduces the skill.

    Finally IMHO you should have left Tracy with the last word because he spoke with authority, he was right (fact not opinion) and he made sense (opinion not fact).
     
  12. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    Thats ok GBR. Unfortunately the OK class is non existant here in the US, I would have better luck with an Aussie 18 singlehanded.

    I would love to campaign a Finn, when I get the money, and am out of college, and the right weight. But right now the Laser is where it's at for me, so you guys can stop recommending me other boats, as I will not switching full time at any point in the near future.

    And while I know we all have differing views on where the Laser should head, you guys all know that I have an evolutionary view, and I really only want the Laser to be the best it could be. I understand the rules of the boat and the class, and I understand the design principal. And I know that change takes time, and that the committee has only the best intentions for the class. So lets hope the next upcoming years are good ones!


    *Just because I'm an American college student, does not mean I do not understand Irony or Sarcasm. Most of us have a fully working knowledge of it and use it daily by the end of freshman year, of high school! By the time we've graduated college, we've pretty much majored in it. But sometimes it is hard to convey over the Internets.
     
  13. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Ross B says he gets irony, but he thinks it has a steam setting. :p

    We love ya', Ross. ;)
     
  14. Ross B

    Ross B Guest


    um, nooooo
     
  15. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    You know the old adage - it's not illegal until you beat somebody and they protest you.

    To me it's not the cost of an electronic unit such as this. I don't care if it costs $2.95 at Wal-Mart. This is just not what Laser sailing is all about. To become a good sailor, you need to keep your head out of the boat and learn to read the wind and the waves. Having a VMG indicator will only confirm something a good sailor already knows. I sail my Laser to get outside and enjoy life. I don't want it to become just another video game.
     
  16. WPB Sailor

    WPB Sailor New Member

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    At the very leat a gps system would have tremendous value in training particularly where you don't have another boat to go against. I'm thinking in moderate conditions with steady breze where steering and flat out busting your ass hiking isn't the most important thing. Would be pretty easy to dial in the right combo of outhaul cunningham and vang which as someone just getting into the boat after 15+ years I'm still fumbling with...
     
  17. laser167373

    laser167373 New Member

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    why cant we just go oldschool and use an analog compass?

    really just stop nagging!!
     
  18. WPB Sailor

    WPB Sailor New Member

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    while we're at it lets go back to ledger paper and an abacus instead of excel. It's a new century full of canting keels and go fast electronics - get with the program.

    PS maybe it's time to consider a new hull shape - chines are in...
     
  19. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    Chines were never out! Sabots and Opti's (Amoung other boats) have always had em!
     
  20. laser167373

    laser167373 New Member

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    no one EVER has had a compass on an opti unless u went to worlds but that might stretch having a compass on a boat thats 7 1/2 ft long
     

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