Sunfish ID help

Discussion in 'Sunfish Talk' started by Chad Morris, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. Eddie_E

    Eddie_E Member

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    My Despersia bailer was not brass to be sure. I would guess it was cast aluminium or magnesium. A 3 foot breaker bar and socket wouldn't even move it a all.I ended up using the fiber reinforced cut-off wheel while dabbing a wet sponge technique.
     
  2. Chad Morris

    Chad Morris New Member

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    Is the body brass? The plug is I unscrewed it and it looked like brass to me.
     
  3. beldar boathead

    beldar boathead Well-Known Member

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    The body isn't brass. Just the plug.
     
  4. mixmkr

    mixmkr Active Member

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    mine body looks like aluminum or a cousin... brass screw on plug, hoping one day not to lose. Although fresh water used, was a bear to unscrew after almost 50 years of use. But it works now. Have to be on a good reach for it to drain. Won't drain close hauled. Probably normal I would guess.
     
  5. Chad Morris

    Chad Morris New Member

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    Ok thanks I just assumed it was brass after looking at the cap. Both the body and the cap are corroded similarly.
     
  6. Light and Variable Winds

    Light and Variable Winds Well-Known Member

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    Both pieces of my two De Persia bailers are made of aluminum. The exposed portion of the plug still has the anodized finish of a gold-colored top. The pop-up style also is aluminum:

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    If it were truly brass, it would be notably heavier than aluminum.

    But "all that glitters is not brass"—except in this forum's photo of the plug:
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  7. oldpaint

    oldpaint Active Member

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    In 1969 the cockpit drain plugs were still brass, the anodized ones showed up later, I don't know when, and then plastic.

    The deck drain by the side of the splashguard went from all bronze, to bronze surround with anodized plug, to stainless for surround and plug. In 1969 it was still the all bronze.

    It's possible that I'm wrong on the brass vs bronze on the drains; I'll defer to any metallurgists out there.
     
  8. mixmkr

    mixmkr Active Member

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    Probably bronze.....but who knows.

    I know that West Marine sells brass fittings mixed in their bronze thru hull fittings...which the brass arent for continued underwater use, especially in salt water. I've quickly mis-ordered some not fully reading the spec description....just the sizes. Im sure I'm not alone in doing so. I believe some if not all of their close nipples are brass. Which leans even more to making that mistake
     
  9. Light and Variable Winds

    Light and Variable Winds Well-Known Member

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    While not a metallurgist, I frequent recyclers. My experience is that (especially once polished) bronze is darker than brass. (Contains more "red" copper). Brass is a gold color.

    Used where household water contains chlorine, bronze resists cracking due to leaching of the zinc from which "yellow" brass suffers. Searching "red brass" found this: Fullscreen capture 8192017 105137 AM.bmp.jpg
     
  10. mixmkr

    mixmkr Active Member

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    I notice the brass over bronze because it is much brighter in color...at least in the marine fittings I've used. I steer away from brass unless it is screws, replicating what was already used.
     
  11. Craig2727

    Craig2727 New Member

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    Greetings -

    I have a similar situation. I picked up this sunfish, and the previous owner does not know the year. I estimate that it is an early 1970's model based on some of the characteristics. If anyone can help me ID the year, I'd appreciate it. Here's what I have:

    • It has a rear storage compartment.
    • There is no serial number stamped on the transom.
    • New style rudder with gudgeon bracket.
    • It appears to have the "Shadow" style daggerboard.
    • Blue and red stripes fore and aft.
    • Sail is red, white and blue - probably original.
    • Splash guard is screwed, not riveted.
    • There is a white plastic plate on the deck just behind the splash guard. Nothing on it.
    • There is a rough edge where the cockpit meets the bottom of the deck.
    • Halyard feeds though a small pulley, not the black fairlead.
    • Bridle wire has a loop in it.
     

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  12. Webfoot1

    Webfoot1 Active Member

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    Somewhere between 1971 and 1972. Google 'Evolution Of Sunfish' and
    open the .PDF. Has pretty much the whole evolution of the Sunfish.
     
  13. Craig2727

    Craig2727 New Member

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    That is a wonderful resource - Thank you. I was thinking the same, 71 or 72. Aluminum cheek plates on the rudder, and Shadow style daggerboard are making me lean toward 1972.
     
  14. Chad Morris

    Chad Morris New Member

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    My 72 has stripe only on the front.
     
  15. Eddie_E

    Eddie_E Member

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    I thought the rear cubby started around 73. Does anybody know for sure? The bi-centennial color scheme makes me think 75 though.
     
  16. Webfoot1

    Webfoot1 Active Member

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    Rear cubby was 1971 and new style rudder 1972. This left only
    one year with cubby and old style rudder. Author has list of
    unsolved questions, would be nice if he's still around and we could
    answer some of them. I have a deck fairlead on a 1980, anyone
    with a earlier date?
     
  17. Craig2727

    Craig2727 New Member

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    Still here. The lack of a serial number stamped into the transom makes me think 1973 or earlier, correct?
     
  18. Webfoot1

    Webfoot1 Active Member

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    November 1972 start of transom id. Somewhere in 1972 probably
    one of the first to get the aluminum rudder bracket.
     
  19. Chad Morris

    Chad Morris New Member

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    I have the cubby and no SN stamped in the transom. Before 73 they were on a sticker.
     
  20. Light and Variable Winds

    Light and Variable Winds Well-Known Member

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    All three of my 70's Sunfish have deck fairleads. The most recent is a '77.

    Now I have to sort them out! :confused:

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