Strange goings-on in the Sunfish class

Discussion in 'Sunfish Talk' started by tag, Nov 7, 2017.

  1. tag

    tag my2fish

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  2. beldar boathead

    beldar boathead Well-Known Member

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    Good article here not so sunshiny day

    Looks like the class (the real one, not the new LP one) is going to find parts suppliers aside from LP, which should be good as LP does not like to sell parts, or boats, for that matter. That appears to have annoyed LP!
     
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    mixmkr Active Member

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    Down the line will be interesting to see if sails, blades, etc are deemed better by one manufacturer than another. Even following measurement standards, that doesn't always mean a lot.
     
  4. sailcraftri

    sailcraftri Well-Known Member

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    What about the boats? Those will still have to come from LP, and hard to find right now (new).
     
  5. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Strange may be too nice a word to describe the 'split'.

    Does this mean that Intensity sails (boards, rudders etc.) are now legal according to the (ISCA) revised class rules??
     
  6. LaLi

    LaLi Active Member

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    Not automatically. The class president's letter says "In August 2017, the World Council ... changed ISCA class rules to allow non-builder supplied, class approved spars, masts, goosenecks, sails and parts."

    The way I understand it, "class approval" means either 1) the class association makes lists of "approved" equipment, for example a list of sailmakers whose products are considered legal (without measurement), or 2) the parts in question will be described with their measurements in the rules, and anything (built by anyone) that measures in is considered legal, or 3) some combination thereof.

    Of course, someone from the ISCA should be here telling how things are. But the class rule changes will be published sooner or later on the World Sailing website for all to see: http://www.sailing.org/28326.php
     
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  7. chris williams

    chris williams Member

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    Hi, I was until August the head of the advisory council. LaLi is right - World Sailing has to approve the changes mentioned above. I think that will happen at their conference in Mexico right now, but they may come back with questions or proposed rewording - you never know. And yes, the class assoc will be coming up with a list of approved parts. Wheels are in motion. Chris
     
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  8. JohnCT

    JohnCT Active Member

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    I see this turning in to a royal cluster flip and the losers are going to be us.
     
  9. beldar boathead

    beldar boathead Well-Known Member

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    What specifically is going to be a cluster? If you don’t race it won’t matter. If you do, hopefully ISCO will be nothing but a bad memory in another month or so.
     
  10. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    ISCA (International Sunfish Class Association) has a new 'look', the reason being that the old (Sunfish) symbol has been claimed by LaserPerformance.

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    Pretty nice, IMHO.
     
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  11. tag

    tag my2fish

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    I like the new logo, too
     
  12. tag

    tag my2fish

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    Great news - an update from the Class President and World Sailing:
    International Sunfish Class Association

    “World Sailing cannot accept a rival international class association being created without the consent of the current class. Doing so fundamentally undermines the Class’s membership of World Sailing and the purpose of World Sailing Classes. In particular, ISCA has an obligation under the World Sailing Constitution to (emphasis added):

    “… be responsible for implementing the objects and decision of the Federation affecting their classes and for protecting the design characteristics of their class” [Art. 8].

    It is almost inconceivable that World Sailing could admit ISCO to World Sailing Class membership (without the agreement of ISCA) as this would undermine ISCA’s right and obligation under our Constitution to protect the design characteristics of their class.”
     
  13. LaLi

    LaLi Active Member

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    It's the same rationale for WS/ISAF as when they dumped Bruce Kirby and his "Torch" plan to disengage the Laser class from LaserPerformance: you don't step on a recognized class association's toes. This time however it's LP itself that's running the rival organization! How little have they learned.
     
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