Stern Cleats

Discussion in 'Capri/Catalina 14 Talk' started by Caerus, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    I want to add a couple of stern cleats to my Capri 14 ... one to starboard and one to port. I want them for docking and maybe hanging a rope ladder from. I'm thinking about placing them about a foot or so forward of the traveler holes.

    My question is this: Anybody have any good suggestions for a backing adapter that would snug up against the bottom of the comming/gunnels (i.e. the outer edge, where the deck sort of curves down and forms an inverted U with the side of the boat). So far I'm using a split 5/16" dowel so the curved end would snug up against the boat while the flat end would receive a SS washer and nut.

    Also, how do you spell coming (i.e. the outer edge of a boat)?:rolleyes:

    Answers to either question would be appreciated. Thanks!
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  2. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    By virtue of the time that has passed since I originally posted this, I take it then that no one here has installed cleats on their Capri 14. Fair enough.

    How about this: What do you do for a swim ladder?
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  3. sailorkev

    sailorkev New Member

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    You could create a mold and cast something to fit your backing plate &/or washers exactly. Lots of work,might be fun? I think definetly overkill. I would just use a large fender washer with a 1/4 in hard rubber gasket. Buy a piece of hard rubber a your local hardsware and cut to fit.

    Sailorkev

    P.S. it's spelled coaming.
     
  4. sailorkev

    sailorkev New Member

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    re: swim ladder

    The handbook available at this site, has suggestion/dimensions for a line tied to your hiking straps with a loop in the end ( bowline, I'd use a buntline hitch)
    for your foot to aid in climbing over the transom. There are also swim ladders that will work;available from West Marine/BoatsUS etc. The line does help but your foot wants to go under the boat when you step into it. Hope this helps.

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  5. rkrebill

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    No Cleats

    Havn't seen a C 14 w/cleats. For short term docking parallel to dock you can hook a line around the traveler line at the transom and attach it to the dock. Extra appendages on such a small boat make another place for sheets or other lines to hang up when you least want that to happen. RK
     
  6. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    rkrebill:

    Thanks for the input. You may be right about the cleats getting in the way, especially during a jibe. I'll have to think on this some more. I need to set up the boat and see how the mainsheet crosses the boat during a jibe. Sounds like the cleats need to be as far back as possible while leaving room for the traveler fittings.
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  7. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    sailorkev:

    I like your idea about using hard rubber. I'll need to shop around the hardware stores.

    I was looking at a "swim ladder" in the West Marine catalog which is basically a molded step on a rope. It's cheap and non permanent but does require a solid fitting to tie it off. Tying it off on the hiking strap is an idea but I was hoping for something near the coaming so I can reach it from the water after a capsize.
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  8. edsandra

    edsandra New Member

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    Cleats Mounted on Transom

    The cleats on my 14.2 are mounted horizontally on both sides of the transom. I keep a dockline tied off to one of the cleats. The line is long enough to accomadate a childs swing seat which I use as a step for reboarding the boat by tieing the line off to the other cleat.

    Cheers!!!:)
     
  9. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    Sorry for the late response. It's hard to think about boats when it's below freezing outside.

    Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. If I understand correctly, you have them mounted along the length of the transom so they're positioned perpendicular to the length of the boat. So are they screwed in with wood screws (that is, into the boat directly without a nut on the other end)? I was worried that screwing directly into the boat would not be strong enough to hold the weight of a swimmer coming out of the water.

    Also, in this position, does it ever snag the main sheet during a jibe.

    Thanks!
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  10. Bill Bain

    Bill Bain New Member

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    My Capri has stern cleats installed in the traditional places on the gunwale. Down here a lot of boats are kept tied up on docks on the various lakes so cleats are practically a necessity.

    They do snag the traveler on occasion, so if i were racing, I'd probably not want them there.
     
  11. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    Thanks! I'm tending to want to put them on the transom somewhere. Maybe on an angle on the inside. This would could create a chaffing problem for long term docking, but I only want them for parking the boat for a couple of hours or so. It'll still spend most of it's time on the trailer.

    My only trepidation with mounting them on the transom is that I won't be able to use thru bolts and I'm not sure blind screws would take the weight of a swimmer.
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  12. cfos

    cfos New Member

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    Same with me.

    Mine has those as well but it is in storage soI'm not sure how they are attached. The do get tangled on occasion, usually in a low wind when things are dangling anyhow.

    Craig Foster
     
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    Step

    I forgot to mention I use a little step I got from W. Marine. It is tied off to the hiking strap loop. With one hand on the transom from in the water, I can easily reach it. Re-entering the boat this way eases the pain but is not very graceful!

    Craig
     
  14. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    "It is tied off to the hiking strap loop."

    That's a good idea. I wonder why that hadn't occurred to me. As soon as the snow melts, I'll have to study the best arrangement. No reason to drill holes if none are needed.
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  15. c14_Kris

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    If you are worried about lines getting snagged on you cleats look at these

    http://www.attwoodmarine.com/produc...are&typename=Cleat&headername=Marine+Hardware
     
  16. pat14.2

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    Cleats

    Try looking at some of the major marine catalogs which cater to fishing boats. They have a small cleat that slips down into a pocket, and makes flush with the deck. This would solve any potential line fouling problems.
    These could be placed at the traditional locations in the gunnel.
     
  17. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    Yeah, I looked at those flush mounted cleats. They'd be just the trick if only they weren't $62 each. The cleats I had bought for this project cost $3.95 each. I really can't justify the expense.
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  18. senormechanico

    senormechanico New Member

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    $62 each and they're not exactly light, either. If you're racing, it could make a difference.

    They're a neat answer to lines getting caught. I am considering flush cleats for my 33' Dragonfly, especially the bow because they catch my asymmetrical spinnaker sheets. I'll have to cut down on pizza just to justify the extra boat weight.

    Steve B.
    Capri 14.2k and DF 1000
     
  19. jaeger

    jaeger New Member

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    Be sure to make use of years of archived information by...

    using the search button at the top of the window, just under the "Welcome, <username>" banner.

    Chances are pretty good that if you have aquestion, someone asked a very similiar one in the past.

    If you scroll down a little in the thread at the following link, someone has described how they added cleats to the gunwales.

    http://www.capri14.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35&highlight=cleats

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  20. Caerus

    Caerus New Member

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    This thread is pretty old, but I thought I'd finish it up and let everyone know how I resolved this issue.

    My solution to the stern cleat problem was to put one stern cleat on the inside transom under the tiller, just above the screws for the rudder gudgeon. It's perfect right here. I can attach a dock line from either side and it's completely unnoticeable while under way. I can even hang the dock line from the cleat while under way.

    Just thought I'd share that.
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