Star Dancer

Discussion in 'Sunfish Talk' started by James Eckhardt, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. James Eckhardt

    James Eckhardt New Member

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    A friend of mine told me that he had a sailboat that he was going to throw away, but I could take it. I've done some research and it looks like the boat is an Edo Western Corp. Star Dancer. The boat is in fair condition. The boat, rudder, daggerboard and sail were all stored outside for many years. The sail is in bad condition. It has about a dozen around half dollar sized holes and lichen and mildew growing on it. The daggerboard and rudder are in very good condition. The hull itself needs some refiberglassing work. I am wondering where I could find information about the boat, how to rig it, part lists, etc. and where I could buy parts and a sail. Once I find some basic information I'll probably come up with some more questions.
    Thanks for any help or information you can give me about the boat.
    Attached are pictures of the sail, serial number plate and hull. IMG_9315.JPG IMG_9316.JPG IMG_9317.JPG IMG_9318.JPG
     
  2. Blue Heron

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    That's not a bad looking little boat. Once fixed up, she should be great fun to sail.

    I'm not familiar with that model, but I have worked with a number of Sunfish clones through the years. If you could post some info about the rig, that would be helpful. Is it a lateen rig? How long are the spars?
     
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  4. James Eckhardt

    James Eckhardt New Member

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    The boat is lateen rigged. I found the beam and length online, and I measured everything else myself, so the measurements should be very close, but not exact.
    Hull length: 165"
    Beam: 48"
    Mast height: 109"
    Mast diameter: 2 1/4"
    Boom lengths: 165"
    Sail dimensions. Along booms: 160", Leech: 170"

    Are there any other dimensions that might be helpful?
    danpal, what I have figured out so far is that the rigging is similar but different in certain ways. I need to know exactly how different the sunfish is, so I can see if sunfish parts will fit my Star Dancer.
     
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  5. signal charlie

    signal charlie Active Member Staff Member

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    Hi James
    The measurements are the same, except the mast for a Sunfish is 120" and the mast diameter is 2". You might want to measure the daggerboard/slot as well. It should rig the same as a Sunfish, check the Sunfish Knowledge Base: http://sailingforums.com/pages/Sunfish_KB/
    Try washing your sail in the tub with mild detergent. Lay it out on some green grass in the sun to dry. If you want your sail and logo copied, my local sailmaker Schuur Sails Pensacola could do it, probably for around the price of a new class legal recreational sail ($350ish). You'd probably need to send the old sail as a template. Email Hunter@schurrsails.com

    Nice boat!!
    Kent
     
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  6. James Eckhardt

    James Eckhardt New Member

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    The sail is done for... I believe it's a 1971 sail that was kept outside for the past 10 years or so. I talked to my local boatworks and they suggested getting a sunfish sail. As I don't have to worry about being class legal, I'll probably just get an Intensity Sunfish sail. Thanks for the dimensions. I was hoping the mast would be the same in case something happens to the mast I have.
     
  7. Blue Heron

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    Kent.... are you sure about the mast diameter? I thought they were 2.25". (I guess I could go measure, but I'm too lazy.)

    James- Your mast is indeed a little shorter, but that should not be an issue. You can always tie the halyard a little lower on the boom. If your old mast breaks, a Sunfish mast would work just fine. Also, the Intensity sail should work like a charm.... plus it's inexpensive, so if you need to modify it a little it won't be a big deal.

    So... fix up that baby and get sailing! If you are on the Gulf Coast, bring 'er by and we'll have a little regatta.
     
  8. James Eckhardt

    James Eckhardt New Member

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    Thanks for the effort Blue Heron ;)
    I am wondering about mast diameter, because I would like a mast base cap. It would be convenient if a Sunfish mast base cap fit my mast. There is a lot of information about how and where to install inspection ports on a Sunfish. The how is useful, but I am wondering how I can tell where I can put inspection ports on my boat. Does anyone have advice on this?
     
  9. Blue Heron

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    James.... since I was outside workng on my boat this afternoon, I thought I'd do my one and only good deed for the week and measure my mast diameter. :D It's 2.25"...... and the vendor for masts' website also confirms it. SO.... I'd guess a standard Sunfish Endcap would work just fine. They are pretty cheap, too. I think I paid like $6 for one not long ago.

    As far as the port location goes: I have no clue.
     
  10. James Eckhardt

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    Thanks. Any good websites to go for that and other sunfish parts? I don't care if they are class legal.
     
  11. Blue Heron

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    That's easy: go to Intensity Sails or Annapolis Performance Sailing. Actually, both of them advertise on the forum, so you can just click on them when their ad pops up, or Google them.

    I like APS for most of my hardware parts, and Intensity for the sails.
     
  12. Cabbage Fumes

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    Hello, A little thread revival...
    I have an opportunity to pick up this exact same hull, with sails and booms, and rudder. It's missing the daggarboard/keel and mast.
    I suppose the question is, since this stuff has been sitting outside in the yard since the late '70s, is it worth the $$ buying all new rigging, sails, hardware, plus finding a keel and mast? It sounds like a lot of Sunfish stuff will work, but I'm mostly concerned about sourcing a keel, and if it's NLA, Would I have to make one?
    James, can you share what you decided to use and what worked or didn't work so I can decide if I want to pursue this like you did?
    (Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread but you seem to be the most likely person to know what I will(?) be going through.)
     
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  13. Light and Variable Winds

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    "Edo" was the name for the manufacturer of aircraft floats, including a pair made for the Douglas DC-3, but a search didn't show any connection to the above "Edo-Western" clonefish.

    I did stumble onto a good and familiar source for identifying them, which may have been posted earlier:
    http://www.southtexassailing.com/files/Clone-Fish_Index_L-Z.pdf
     
  14. James Eckhardt

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    I spent just about all summer in my Star Dancer, so I've gotten to know it pretty well. I'll go through what I found out about this little boat. The specs are almost exactly the same as the sunfish. Mast height is the same, spar length is the same, sail size is the same. As you can see from the above pictures, the cockpit is very much different. It's been a while since I've sailed a real sunfish so I can't compare the experience of sitting in the cockpit to that of a sunfish. I know that I spent quite a few hours in low winds sitting on the upper part of the cockpit and my rear did get sore, however I'm not sure if that would be an issue with the sunfish or not as the deck of the sunfish is much wider outside the cockpit that the Star Dancer. The cockpit does not have a bailer, so with the cockpit being so large, it does turn into a bathtub and weigh the boat down. I have seriously considered installing a bailer and plan to next summer, but I'm not sure if it will work as, unlike the sunfish, the foam in the Star Dancer is not in the form of foam blocks, but rather the foam coats the fiberglass on the inside of the boat. I learned this when I cut holes for inspection ports (picture attached).
    A few other things that might make your decision about the boat easier. Daggerboard is the same as the sunfish. The rudder and rudder attachment is different (in my opinion worse) than that of the sunfish. I had troubles with the screws (yes it is held in place by screws, not bolts) coming out and the rudder detaching until I bolted the thing on (at the expense of drilling into a friend's finger, but that's a different story). The sunfish has a block on the deck just below the block on the spar that is nearest to the mast, however the star dancer does not, making holding the main sheet more difficult that the sunfish.
    Next summer I'm planning to take the top off the boat and completely fix the rudder, see if I can install a bailer and see if I can find a place to put a block on the deck. I'll probably post my findings for those looking at Star Dancer info in the future.
    Overall this is a great little boat. If you can get this boat for significantly less than a sunfish, I would suggest it. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
     

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    Just thought I'd post a few before and after pictures of my project. I think it looks a little better than when I got it ;) SANY0905.JPG IMG_9313.JPG SANY0602.JPG SANY0660.JPG
     
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    holy smokes, that was a nasty dirty boat! well done!
     
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  17. BUNNY138

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    I've just picked up a couple of these boats from craigslist. I'm glad I've found this resource. One is in very good condition while the other is in need of some fiberglass repair. I've been watching youtube videos on how to do it and it doesn't look especially difficult. It is helpful to know the foam is attached directly to the glass.
    Both boats came with small (maybe 1/4 inch) holes in the very back of the boat (the transom i think it's called) near the bottom. Are these meant to be plugged? or are they some kind of bailer and meant to be kept open on the water?
    Thanks for all the information.
     
  18. James Eckhardt

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    My boat did came with a hole for a drain plug. I believe the hole was around 3/4 in in diameter, but there were no smaller holes. I have attached a picture of where the drain plug is. If your boat doesn't have a drain plug on the transom, you may want to enlarge one of the holes into a drain plug sized hole. If you have any other questions, I'm happy to answer as I'm the local expert on star dancers.
     

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    Great! I think I can find something to just plug it up with, a rubber stopper or something, as I don't want to screw into the transom.
    Here's a photo of 'em:
    http://imgur.com/xaH8XwI

    Also, I don't drive and am in the process of building a bicycle trailer to haul them to the lake (less than 1 mile). I made a design in google sketchup that I think will work. What do you think? The front wheel will swivel while the 2 rear ones will be set in place. I'll put foam padding underneath to protect the deck, and straps over the top to hold it down.
    http://imgur.com/4KCBefi
    http://imgur.com/XgzULWq

    I have some damage on the keel and will update with some photos as I do the repair/s.

    Thanks for the info!
     
  20. Light and Variable Winds

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    Look in a hardware store for a bait-well stopper—they come in several different- (and much smaller) diameters than for powerboat drain stoppers.
     

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