"Sailing with motor attached"

Discussion in 'Capri/Catalina 14 Talk' started by woodbark, May 20, 2010.

  1. woodbark

    woodbark Member

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    Is there anything I should be aware of when sailing with a motor attached and does it affect the handling/balance of the boat when under sail power?

    Part of my fun includes sailing out of a river to get to the lake, so the motor is a necessary evil :(

    At 10mph it takes 20mins to 1/2 hour to get out. I also have to go under a bridge, so no mast stepping before this point. Motor is a Suzuki 4hp, 2 stroke with integral gas tank as well as hook up for a separate tank. Mounting is the standard C14 bracket.

    Thanks
    George - Hull#4042
     
  2. kylehousley

    kylehousley New Member

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    I have never sailed with a motor on the capri. Common sense tells me that on a starboard tack you will be heeling more than you would normally. I am curious how you are going to step the mast.
     
  3. woodbark

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    @kylehousley, thank you for the reply! ....and yes I'm also curious about the mast stepping situation. There are several spots after the bridge where it's possible to beach the boat so we'll see how that works out. The motor is a 2 cycle .... not heavy 25lbs maybe, it just looks odd in the back there. My other option is to tow it out and just tie up the tow boat and go sailing!
     
  4. JGM

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    Hi George,
    Welcome to the forum!

    I'm like you in that I have to use a motor to get out. Mine is electric and both the motor and battery are hung off opposite sides of the stern, so even if the C-14 is a little aft heavy by 50 lbs., it doesn't heel to one side more than the other. I'm used to it and sailing is still great, but if launching was any more of a hassle, I would look for another place to put in.

    Jim
     
  5. chuckguy

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    How do you fasten down the battery?

    What has been found succesful to fasten down the Trolling motor battery in case of capsizing?
     
  6. JGM

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    I use a plastic battery box bolted to the stern. It has a strap which holds the top on so the battery can't fall out even if the boat goes upside down (turtles). It looks a little weird hanging off the stern but it offsets the motor weight - they're both about 25 lbs - and all the wires stay out of the cockpit.
     
  7. jerinaldi

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    I don't have a motor, but apparently one of the previous owners of my boat did.

    When I bought it, there was a motor bracket bolted onto the boat, which extended the motor back about 8". The reason for the bracket was obvious when you see the scars in my tiller. I guess the lesson is either get a motor bracket or make sure your tiller is up while you are motoring...
     
  8. fmuelle

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    No sailing problems, have a 4-stroke 2HP Honda (lower weight than yours).
    Balancing comes natural. My bracket still causes prop to sometimes touch water on a starboard fetch but not much when tilted up. Prop needs to point straight back so that it does not touch rudder. (But even if it does, my prop is plastic, it does no damage). See here:


    http://moss.csc.ncsu.edu/~mueller/capri14/album/aug06/html/039.html
     
  9. numbers

    numbers New Member

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    Does your motor mount screw onto the transom or just drop over the top and use weight to keep it in place?
     
  10. woodbark

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    "Motor vibration"

    I went sailing today ......1st time out with the boat. As I previously mentioned, my motor is mounted on the std factory mount, It's a "Suzuki 4hp, 2stroke" and it took about 40 mins of noise and vibration to get out to the river mouth. ANY SUGGESTIONS ON CONTROLLING VIBRATION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, I'm considering a re-design of the wooden mounting pad to incorporate some sort of rubber dampening. I have some ideas but would rather not try to "re-invent the wheel" .... if something already exists!

    I also like the electric alternative ...JGM if you read this; what thrust is your motor rated for and what sort of range can I expect with this system?
     
  11. JGM

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    Hey George,
    I have a Minn Kota Riptide with 36" shaft and 40 lbs of thrust. At full throttle and with my size battery, the numbers say I can only use it for 45 minutes without recharge. That's plenty for me in that I only have to exit the marina to get into open water. With 40 minutes travel each way, you might be stuck with gas propulsion. :(

    Here's a source for vibration isolators but I'm thinking it won't satisfy the problem in the long run. A lot of people here love their Honda 2HP outboards which I suspect is a lot quieter and more vibration free than your Suzuki. That's just a guess on my part. Regardless, let us know what ends up working, OK?

    Jim
     
  12. chemprof

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    George, is there any change that vibration is due to an imbalance (in the prop) that you could correct? Probably not, if it is a two cycle engine -- but worth a try!
     
  13. rayhas

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    As a follow on to the question of how long the electric will last, I have a 34LB thrust Minkota electric and a full size series 40 battery. We took it out with a meter and went for two hours on motor only and never got below 11 volts. In fact by the time we got back home it had recovered to 11.7 volts.

    Smooth and quiet I like the electric.
     
  14. woodbark

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    "Motor vibration options"

    My thanks to everyone for your great contributions and based on these, I think my options are as follows:
    1) Improve on the motor mount; in fact I believe this a must regardless of what type of motive power I use. I have a few ideas and will definitely keep you posted on how I implement them.

    2) Fine tune the Suzuki including the prop etc. as Ed suggested.

    3) "Get a Honda 2hp", (without a doubt the best little 4 stroke available).

    4) "Go electric". This option really excites me ......it takes care of vibration, noise and all the other nuisance that come with combustion engines. I would just have to get the best "power pack" to take care of the range.

    So that's where I'm at! Please feel free to comment!
     
  15. JGM

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    My vote is for number 4. I have a small battery to match the weight of the motor but there is no reason not to get a larger battery or even an extra one for the trip back in. The combination of battery and electric motor is good for the environment, your wallet, and a lot easier on the ears. Sometimes while using the trolling motor, it's so quiet, it's hard to tell if it's running or not. :)

    That said, I wouldn't get a much smaller motor. When there is no wind, any size motor is fine but if you're bucking a strong headwind, you'll definitely want something with some power.

    Good luck!
    Jim
     
  16. woodbark

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    Thanks Jim, I absolutely love the idea, it all makes total sense; this by the way was my wife's suggestion as well.

    I already have batteries, so I'm off to BassPro for a motor; 40 to 50lb thrust sounds like the sensible choice and may actually consume less batt power, although rayhas has tested a 35Lb and seems very satisfied with the results. I've read some reviews on the Prowler and all seem favourable.

    The cuddy hole may be a good battery stowage area? I'm thinking a shallow battery tray with standard hold-down similar to an automotive application. The tray would have to be glued down for obvious reasons.
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    George__ hull #4042
     
  17. capnron209

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    Outboard Motor

    I have my 3.5 Toshiba on starboard side. I raise it up on tilt when sailiing. I have had my traveler get caught on the motor during a tack. I use a motor mount that is not adjustable and I have had to lower the motor down so not to come out if I move forward during motoring.

    Ron Carter
    Grove, OK
     
  18. JGM

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    Hey George,
    As I mentioned earlier, my battery is hung off the transom so I can't help you with any first-hand knowledge about the cuddy hole, but lots of others have put their batteries there with good success. If I remember correctly, they fish the wires under one of the seats and then out through a hole in the transom.

    I also think one of those battery trays with a strap should work OK if you can get it glued down securely. We have one of those trays in the 17' runabout and when it's choppy, the boat gets tossed around quite a bit and the battery stays in place just fine. Have you got a digital camera? I'm sure everyone would like some pictures if you can swing it, especially if you change your mind and through-bolt that tray to the bottom of your hull! ;)

    Jim
     
  19. JGM

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    I'm a little confused about how your motor is mounted. Does your motor mount on the transom or does it hang stern of the transom? My boat came with a mount which places the motor about 8" behind the transom. This seems to work pretty well in avoiding the mainsheet. Then again, perhaps it helps that I've removed the pulley and attached the end of the sheet to the middle of the traveler rope, so it's more of a bridle than a traveler now.

    Jim
     
  20. woodbark

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    Most certainly Jim, I already have quite a few pics, will post when I get back on Mon. I will be sharing my motor mount improvements as well.
    Great & safe sailing w/end to all!
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    George #4042.
     

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