Rigging the outhaul for the new Boom Sleeve/Clew Hook

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by SFBayLaser, Nov 20, 2006.

  1. SFBayLaser

    SFBayLaser Member

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    John Christianson, inventor of the now legal boom sleeve/clew hook, has sent to me his version of how he thinks the outhaul should be rigged. During the voting period we had a rather lively discussion about how the outhaul was rigged in the photos of the boom sleeve and yesterday, with no wind here this time of the year, turned out to be a good time to get some pictures of his system so people could comment.

    Two things I could mention: first is that he did not include any mention of a shock cord inhaul. I never use one either (even with a strap or spectra tie down line) so can't make any comments on that. Second is that the routing of the line from the fairlead, through the block on the sail, back to the fairlead and then forward is exactly as he defines in his very detailed instructions. I have the impression that this routing is important to insure optimal operation of the fitting. I guess one can also note his attention to detail in making this outhaul, perhaps that is the mark of an engineer at work?

    As it goes with these things, I'm sure lots of people will have ideas on how to rig the outhaul but I thought it would be useful for everyone to see what the designer of the fitting thought.

    ILCA is currently updating the Class Rules (with very slight wording changes mandated by ISAF) and the fitting will be legal as of December 1. The last I have heard (last month) the fitting is supposed to be available to dealers by the end of this month.
     

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  2. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    So it's important to have the outhaul blocks on top of the boom? My run along the side right now. What does the set up look like at the mast?
     
  3. sorosz

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    Is that 2 or 3 pieces of line? I can't quite tell from the photos.

    Also, do you have suggested lengths of the line used? This setup looks pretty slick. I can't wait to get mine.
     
  4. gouvernail

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    Not certain if teh following is true because I cannot see enough detail in the photos...

    John also sent nme detailed instructions wheh I had his test sleeve a few eyars back. Please note: I accidentally used the hook backwards.

    Otherwise, I THINK the photos here show the same pulley systrem as Tracy's photos. if not...somebody correct me.
    Yes..it is time for new photos on the fredrig site...Has been out of date for years
    http://www.schrothfiberglass.com/RiggingforLaser.htm
    Fred
     
  5. vtgent49

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    Hi,

    I used the sleeve all Summer. Tracy and Fred's rigs are fine for starters, someone will tweak them, I'm sure.

    But, I don't think you can tie off the dead end around the boom, as Fred did in his old pics. I've found you need the full travel, all the way to the outhaul fitting. That's with a decent red-dot North.

    Also, I tried the sleeve without any bungee inhaul at all, and it worked great in any air, except in 0-1 apparent, I might have to ease vang, and rock/pump a tiny bit to get it to move. I have my handle knotted at max ease, so at the weather mark I'd just uncleat it and forget about it. I think the bungee inhaul may be worth it for light air-instant changes, but not imperative. If you're in SF Bay, or even Buzzards, I'd forget about it.

    The hook on last Summer's prototypes is totally different than all the other hooks you've seen, longer, better angles, and more captive by the sleeve ears. So I'd forget about all the un-hooking nightmare stories you've heard. Start over and give this a try.

    It actually takes a kinda strong thumb to release the sail's clew when needed, but it is easy, and then poof it's gone. Nice, safe, etc. if you have to land at a dock or beach downwind.

    I think this is kinda like the new Vang. When we are all done futzing and putzing, and griping about the bucks, the new rigged boats will be even closer to "one-design" than ever before.

    My thanks to JC, by the way.

    JMHO

    Al Russell 182797
     
  6. WestCoast

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    looks good, can't wait to try one out
     
  7. chrisfsi

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    Apologies if this is answered elsewhere, but how do you get the sleeve ON the boom in the first place? Does it come in two half-round parts, does it have a hinge at the bottom, or do you have to prise it apart the first time to get it on and then tighten it up? Isn't there a danger that when you close it for the first time, it doesn't close up exactly circular and starts to snag? Or are you supposed to take the boom end fairlead and the block fitting off, slide the sleeve on and replace them?

    Looks very interesting - and am keen to try it.
     
  8. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    It slides on from the mast end without any prying and you turn it this way, then that, to get it around the fittings. No snagging. It's a beautiful thing!
     
  9. chrisfsi

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    Very cunning - thanks. Look forward to getting hold on one - hopefully someone will post when they're available. Will form part of my quest for speed - it may even help me move up from generally last, to well, more than likely, still generally last, but at least I will be comforted in my last-ness by knowing that no stone has been left unturned....:)
     
  10. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    so whats the cost gonna be on this sexy beast
     
  11. sailor327

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    Wait so does your purchase system have to be the same as in the photos cause that looks like its going to take alot longer to rig.
     
  12. Duncang

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    I heard that the Harken model will be available for around 35 usd
     
  13. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    i think you can rig it how ever the hell you want, and calm down, as long as its within the rules...
     
  14. dubaisailer186065

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    do you have to buy a whole new boom or can you buy the sleeve and it clips around the boom somehow? do you know when and if this is going to be able in Aussie.
    cheers
     
  15. Ross B

    Ross B Guest

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!??? you just buy the sleeve, and read the above posts, it tells you how to put it on.....
     
  16. dubaisailer186065

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    alrite i didnt read it, calm down it was jsut a question :S
     
  17. SFBayLaser

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    I don't think it is important so much as that is where they end up with this scheme (which is only one of many you could think of). I didn't take a picture, but the line going forward goes to a block tied around the mast, then down to the deck and to the cleat. Very simple.

    I tried to zoom in a bit more on a couple of pictures to help answer other points, questions, etc.
     

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  18. sailor327

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    how much longer does it take to rig or do some of the lines stay on the boom
     
  19. SFBayLaser

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    No need to unrig the boom, all you need do is put the boom on, run the outhaul line through the mast block to the deck and cleat, hook the sail in and go sailing.
     
  20. Ross B

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    im sorry, but the stupidity on this forum gets to me at times, half of the questions asked are common sense, and i mean seriously, its a laser, not brain surgery for crien out loud. think for yourselves people
     

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