reefing the sail

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by Richard Watkins, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. Richard Watkins

    Richard Watkins New Member

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    Hey yall.
    Has anyone figured a way to reef the sail?
    I'm older than I was, not as flexible as I once was and not as slender either.
    Raising the boom about 6 to 8 inches would make sailing my Laser much easier.
    Not racing, just sailing in the warm Caribean.
    Any thoughts?
    D
     
  2. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    I envy you!

    To reef the sail remove the top batten, snug the cunningham, then wrap the sail around the mast and attach the outhaul. You'll need a bit longer outhaul line to do this. You shorten sail this way, but from the top down!
     
  3. Richard Watkins

    Richard Watkins New Member

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    Thanks Merrily.
    Great idea. Will try it in a few days
    This will not raise the boom at mast.
    Possibly will raise the boom at the stern end. If so, I'm good.
    Reducing amount of sail is not the goal, raising the boom so I can get under it easier is the goal.
    Thanks agian, D
    Oh by the way, sailing in the Carib is actually not so good.
    Steady winds, warm water, every day---boring...............
     
  4. sorosz

    sorosz Member

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    Since clearance under the boom is your goal and not reducing sail area you don't want to reef then. Since the gooseneck is fixed on the mast there isn't a lot you can do to "raise" the boom. What you can do is ease off your vang (and the mainsheet some when tacking). If the vang (& sheet) is loose(er) that will get you the maximum clearance possible.

    Another thing you can do is work on your technique. The timing of when you cross over can make a huge difference in how easy it is to get under the boom. If you can roll tack well (I certainly can't but I keep trying. . .) it can make a really big difference too.

    Your last option (but since you're in the Caribbean maybe it is the way to go. . .) would be to develop some mad limbo skills. ;-)
     
  5. Richard Watkins

    Richard Watkins New Member

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    So, Sorosz has totally figured out 98% of my problem--Technique..!! Need lots of help there..
    "roll tack"--huh? I need to learn about that from a sailing lesson.. Online??
    Limbo? I could limbo rather well 40 years ago..No longer.
    However, If I limbo well during a tack, am I not on the wrong Gunwale when I finish the tack? I think I need to bend forward,,..?? and go to the other side?

    So back to reality-- I've been thinking about making a new attachment point, on the mast, for the boom--up 6-8 inches. Then modifying the sail.

    Thanks, D
     
  6. stick

    stick Member

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    have you considered using a radial rig ? less sail area, easier to manage. less filling but still the great taste of a laser. no modifications to mast. you would have to better your technique, but that sounds like the path you may want take anyway.
     
  7. xflyer95

    xflyer95 New Member

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    Hey Richard, You can find a lot of great videos on youtube on roll tacking....just enter "laser roll tack" in the search and enjoy. :D Eric
     
  8. metsche

    metsche New Member

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    Hello Richard,
    This is all bull**** what was written. I think you want to laser easier because the bones hurt sometimes. What I suggest is not to reef or using a radial with the same hight of the boom No!. Get a short alloy tube that fits on the Mast top and attach your boom fitting some inches higher. Than the boom is higher and you can sail until you need total parental nutrition. I myself did changes to the rig and I **** on class rules as I want to have the fastest laser on the lake and I sail for fun. Let the guys follow their rules and overtake them :)
     
  9. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Metsche, your idea is useful and probably appreciated. The hostile and provocative tone is not. The previous sincerely offered ideas may not be what the author of this thread wanted, but they are not bull****. We work hard to keep it friendly here, and I ask you to get into that spirit.
     
  10. Mattcm

    Mattcm Member

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    The whole point of lasers is following the class rules. If you want the fastest boat on the lake sail another class where this is done.

    P.S: Is it just me or does the line "sail another class" get used way too often here
     
  11. metsche

    metsche New Member

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    No MATTCM, you missed the point :) Sure there is a huge part following the class rules and taking the laser as a as is boat where it is not allowed to write your own name to the hull. But there is also the part of laser sailors that sail this fabulous boat just for fun.
    It is a very nice and interesting boat and worth optimizing. Now imagine you laser on a lake with your rule compliant 30 year old technique laser and I sail in circles around you with some intelligent modifications. This would be great fun! Think of a rooster 8.1. Great idea from those guys!
    So why not discussing modification ideas? If you do not think about the boat and of its capabilities and options than you could buy a laser book and this forum would not make any sense. The forum lives because of thoughts, questions and ideas and this must no be interpreting class rules only :)

    Regard Metsche, the laser class rule killer :)
     
  12. Kratos

    Kratos Member

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    I find not only your ideas funny, but also your "English is not my first language" prose.

    "This would be great fun!" Lol.
     
  13. 49208

    49208 Tentmaker

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    I'm guessing you want the 6-8" additional clearance where you cross under it. I think the most cost effective would be to just raise the clew up on the sail. You'll need to go 12-14" at the clew to get the 6-8" mid boom

    There are two ways to go about it (any sailmaker can do them for you - shouldn't be more then an hour or two of work)
    1. Cut off the existing clew patch and move it up the leech and refair the foot
    2. Add a second clew patch and grommet above the existing one (a reef patch)


    You'll lose some sail area with this modification (not as much useful area as some might think), but IMHO this is a better solution then trying to move the rig up in the boat (extensions, moving goosenecks etc). The boat will also be a little better balanced in hvy air, not as much windward helm to fight.
     
  14. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    Knock it off, Shatty. Stop provoking. Also, any attempt at English is welcome here. :mad: Plus, Metsche's English is pretty good.
     
  15. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    I like the sound of that a lot. Has anyone tried it?
     
  16. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    A very practical solution to the situation.

    I agree. I'm gonna add wings to my Laser, and I'll sail it with a digital compass and the cheapest knock-off sail I can find. Just my way of sticking it to the man!

    Power to the people!
     
  17. Kratos

    Kratos Member

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    The only insult I can find for soemone who just has a Laser for cruising around in, doesn't race and buys a a different, non-class-legal-but-basically-the-same sail-for-way-less, is intelligent.

    But I see your point.
     
  18. metsche

    metsche New Member

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    Hello Merrily,
    I dont know what's the problem of this forum but I often saw in the different postings that if a non standard question was raised most follow ups are more about laughing and evaluating the question than giving some valuable answers or just helpful thoughts.
    And the greatest delict seems to be to raise a question that was similar to an already existing. In this case you can be sure about ten follow-ups of our Messieurs "guards of correctness".

    Maybe we should suggest more acceptance and focus on the original subject....
    ?

    P.S: My first language is German and I learned English at school, so no problem if someone finds a funny expression or mistake it's a present, keep it :)
     
  19. Kratos

    Kratos Member

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    I know, right? I wasn't even insulting. It's just humorous when people who have another language as their first language, and type/speak in English, it usually comes out sounding very proper, hence the: "This would be great fun!"

    I get it all the time when I speak French.

    Merrily just likes to keep quoting my posts and saying "that's provoking" for some reason. I don't believe I ever said your English was poor.
     
  20. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    The Laser Forum is a place where all sailors, experienced and novice alike, can expect to ask a question and get a respectful answer. That means giving a respectful answer, not mocking the previous posts as you did with your first posting here.
     

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