New Sail, New Class, Laser Hull Rooster 8.1 Rig

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by Crooked Beat, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. Crooked Beat

    Crooked Beat Member

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  2. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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  3. rock steady

    rock steady New Member

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    Thats a great idea, I wonder if it will ever become class legal?

    I think the hull will handle it ok, but time will tell.
     
  4. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    The builders and the class itself brought this on . They first introduced the concept that lasers should have multiple "one for each of you" rigs when the M rig was built.
    The class and builders have been bent on self destruction by division since the earliest says.
    Now that alternative rigs are so acceptable that one of the fake lasers is used in the Olympic$, and now that the class is supporting the use of the towel on a bent stick and recognizing world championships among sailors who belong in Optis rather than Lasers...It was just a matter of time until somebody decided to offer the big rig for the Laser.
    Open rig Laser sailing cannot be far away.
    Open rig Lasering will introduce the Laser to the lucrative "competition among sailmalers." There will be available sponsorships and Group 3 sailing will come to lasering.
    Before long we will be alowing any hull shaped like a Laser to be raced under any rig using any blades able to slide through the hull.

    Of course, all of this will allow more sailors to win races in smaller and smaller fleets and the real sailing itself will decline from physical and mental on the water competition to a shoreside design and spending contest.

    I suppose it is time to develop the Fat Boy. If the Laser fleet is going to be killed off by those who practice divide and conquer, I may as well re focus my efforts toward survival in the new game.

    Watch this thread for introduction of the New Fat Boy.

    I want my piece of the greed pie!!!
     
  5. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    This rig hasn't been allowed.

    Viva la greed!
     
  6. 49208

    49208 Tentmaker

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    Is it greed or someone with a vision, seeing an potential to put even more people in a Laser hull ?

    Rooster's product seems targeted directly at the over 200 pounders, who finding themselves completely un-competitive in the standard, leave the class and go sail Finns, Megabytes or similar singlehanded boats. The problem there is cost. A decent used Finn is more then a new Laser. A new Finn with a new carbon mast is 3 times the cost. This should be an easy sell to those guys, with or without class support.
     
  7. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    I can maybe see having ONE alternate size plan like the Radial as this opens up Laser sailing across a broad range of sailors. However, this 8.1 strikes me just like the 4.7 as being a little too much.
     
  8. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    From my experiences with the mast step of newer hulls, I agree, you exact found a lack of it, I think

    During the last couple of years, I have seen not few new hulls, that aft a season of intensive sailing, already had cracks in the gelcoat of the deck around the hole of the maststep. Some of you perhaps remember the thread (in 2006) I made at TLF about repairing such cracks.

    If the Laser, rigged with the standard rig, is sailed progressive (like it should in our days) the mast step often is over-stressed. Here I talk of hulls of the Laser, that come out of the moulds of Performance Sailing Europe Ltd ("PSE").

    Sailing in waves and the frequence of using the boat in heavy winds do additional their work to "premature grow old" the mast step. Now translating this to a bigger rig than the standard rig, in my opinion, do accelerate the fatigue of the mast step.

    The maststep of the Byte of Ian Bruce and the Laser Pico (here I mean only in general the way how durable the Pico-hull is constructed - with more modern materials and technical know how then for the Laser-hull) are made better (= have a longer lifetime) than the over 36 years old idea of Ian Bruce to take just a simple tube of fibreglass founded in a small piece of plywood, that is glued to the keel-bottom of the hull of the Laser (I mean, at that time, it has been a good idea to construct it in that way, but in our days, the loads at the mast step already with using the standard rig are reaching the limit of this construction).

    I personally appreciate Steve's idea and think, yes, this 8.1-rigg opens a new window for the Laser and will bring new Laser entusiasts to our lovely unique sailing-dinghy. I hope, this idea for the 8.1-rig not goes the same way like the fantastic Laser-EPS, that unfortunately not is produced any longer in our days (perhaps not enough sailors did bought her in reason of the wings or the high costs to buy such an EPS-Laser).

    Ciao
    LooserLu
     
  9. Owyn in Barnsley

    Owyn in Barnsley New Member

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    All politics aside, that thing looks mental!

    I do think that anyone who sails it needs their head reading and should also see a nutritionist so they can get with the 12 stone cool dudes who sail proper lasers!
     
  10. Chainsaw

    Chainsaw Brmmm Brmmm

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    :D Couldn't agree more. People can do whatever they like with a laser hull mast and boom, and often do, but a standard laser can be sailed in quite a range of wind strengths and body weights with a little effort. It is an actual class afterall: If you weigh more, why not move to finn for olympic progression, or one of a trillion other designs in the world of dinghies if you're a non-competitive sailer. If you weigh less, have you considered a starling?:D

    Back in the day, a guy wrapped two or three turns of his laser sail round the mast, and reefed it that way. It was also good for beginners to gain some confidence in conditions that seemed windy to them. Ok, so the cunningham was inoperable and the sail wasn't the same shape on each tack, but in 35 knots all you had to do was hold on. At least it made use of the same sail size.

    (In the generous mood I am in today I would like to proclaim that radial sailors are ok. I don't know any, but I'm sure they're wonderful people.:D )


    As for the 8.1 rig

    At 81kg, I look big in the cockpit of a laser. It's only a little boat.

    My own tests have shown that 3mins of swimming makes you somewhat uncompetitive. Of course, if everyone is swimming for 3mins, who would notice?
     
  11. maljam

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    wow... that just looks absolutely... bezerk! heh heh I dunno if you'd get *me* on one of those... yet...! ;) I'm happy being about 92-ish kgs with my standard rig at the moment, thanks all the same! [laughs]
     
  12. knuckles

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    More power to the Rooster folks for bringing this to market. I hope that they build enough sails and get data to open the discussion for the Laser class sails (again). If he can produce longer lasting sails for about the same price, then maybe that data can be rolled into the Laser class.

    And I bet this would be a fun config to sail in places where it's light most of the year.
     
  13. Georg W.F.

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    Cool!
    I am glad they designed this. Some experimentation can never hurt the class! It might generate some new ideas for the standard laser. I already wish that the standard sail looked as good as this one.
    G
     
  14. 135569fgsc

    135569fgsc New Member

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    Visited the Dinghy show in London this weekend where the 8.1 rig was on display at the Rooster stand. The sail and upper mast section (carbon fibre) both looked of very high quality.
     
  15. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    I noticed the price is listed in pounds. Does that equate to about $800.00 USD for both the top section and sail?
     
  16. Rob B

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    Does anyone think a "fat boy" class for the Laser has a better chance of luring Finn sailors back to a Laser than the Finn has of luring big Laser sailors to their class? The Laser is way more popular and far less costly than the Finn.
     
  17. 49208

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    Looking at the pic and the printed words on the rooster site, there is no different upper section

    The 8.1 use a much taller, aluminum lower section.. Doubtful you could build a carbon section and sell it with the sail for the price Rooster has it listed...
     
  18. 49208

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    roughly, yes, (it's a lower section though)

    It would be much less if the pieces were sourced in the US - probably between $400-$500 US
     
  19. 49208

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    We are talking about pretty small numbers. I'd guess the over 200lbs folks account for less then 10% of the fleet at any regatta.

    Not sure what you mean by a fat boy class - do you mean a bigger rig, or ahem, weight divisions ?

    The Finn population is small and very tightly grouped in small pockets around the country. As long as the groups keep going, I wouldn't expect current Finn sailors to dump their boats for a new, but unknown class.
     
  20. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    The rig is designed for the larger person ergo "Fat boy", (I can say it cause I are one.) I struggle to get below 200 lbs. If I had the choice to spend $800.00 and stay in the Laser I would do that no question over dropping $10,000.00 for a used Finn where I'd have to drive 100's of miles to race anyone. We have multiple rigs for the "little people" why not one for the larger sailor? Big people need love too!
     

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