New Rules and Rules Conversion

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  1. twinger

    twinger Member

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    News on passage of J/24 Rules Conversion to ISAF format: Passage of the basic rules format was unanimous.

    Eight of the twelve changes passed, so lets look at what did not pass:

    F.6.1(b) and F.6.2(a)(4) - to allow an option for synthetic rope backstay - Rope backstays are off the table.

    F.4.3(a)(3) - to eliminate the boom tip weight and replace it with a requirement for a boom end fitting - failed - off the table.

    C.2.1 and J.3 - to make the crew restrictions (weight and substitution) optional to be specified in the Sailing Instructions. The World Council preferred to keep the 3 crew minimum and 400 kg minimum as defaults in the rule C.2.1 with the 340 kg crew and substitution to be the options in J.3. Rules have been rewritten to that preference and will soon be offered to the NJCAs for approval.

    C.2.3 - Limitations on the driver - This was written to allow very liberal relationship between crew, driver and owner. World Council preferred that the owner and driver be of the same nationality - no qualified owner bringing in a hotshot from another country to drive at the Worlds or any event. They also preferred that the qualification must be by the driver only. C.2.3 has been rewritten to that preference and will be offered to the NJCAs for approval. Everyone take note of this one, because it has been violated in the past.

    Best regards to all, and thank you for your comments.

    Tim Winger
     
  2. okielaser

    okielaser New Member

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    Question: Do the accepted changes go into effect or do class members get to vote on them?

    I'm in accordance with most of the changes but have deep reservations about the forestay turnbuckle rule.
    K.Mott
    #672 Heavy Fuel
     
  3. Bash24

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    Tim,

    As I read the wording of the updated compass rule, it looks like the Velocitek Pro Start is illegal, because of the distance to line feature. Do you guys read it the same way?

    Ron Medlin
     
  4. stinger

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    Have the new rules been posted yet?
     
  5. Bash24

    Bash24 New Member

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    Looks like the rules are up. March 2016, Velocitek Pro Start is legal.

    Thanks J24 class, you just cost each one of us $600.
     
  6. stinger

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    That's 900$ for us in Canada!!!
     
  7. Dogfish4255

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and point out that for 80% of J24 teams, the Velocitek Pro Start represents a distraction from materially improving the quality of your crew work, your driving, your trimming, and your decision making skills.

    There aren't any silver bullets in this class. And a piece of technology isn't going to improve your behavior on or approaching the starting line without a lot of real, meaningful, hard work.

    Show up and race.
     
  8. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    Yes, practice, show up, and race!
     
  9. twinger

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    ICA is for the International Class Association, which is the IJCA. It will remain ICA in the rules, because that is the defined term that World Sailing wants to use in all of the class rules.
     
  10. stinger

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    So if the velocitek pro start is legal, can we use a similar software on our iphone/ipad?
     
  11. Dogfish4255

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    Stinger, good question, and I think one that's going to come up often.

    First reference rule C.5.2 (b) (1) and (2). Cell phones, and devices with charting capability are excluded, as they are today. Regardless of how you argue it, and/or which "app" you might be using, I (and the Class Association) consider both iPhone (smart phones in general) or iPad (tablets or laptop computers in general) as devices capable of charting. That's without getting into the typical exclusion of cellular data sources while on the water argument . . .

    Rule C.7.3 (a) (4), which does list the specific functions that are permitted for on-board electronics, also specifically excludes devices having "charting capabilities." So whether or not you actually have an app that does plot, both smart phones and tablets have a demonstrated capability to chart/plot. So they're excluded in this rule as well.

    Bob Kinsman.
     
  12. stinger

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    Thanks Bob for your quick reply. Can you tell me why the class would be worried about "charting capabilities"? Or how someone would use charting?
    thanks
    Jean
     
  13. Dogfish4255

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    There's a lot of different features that are possible supporting navigation, optimal course selection, and other electronic assisted strategy decisions that the J24 fleet has stayed clear of for several decades.

    The class will continue to maintain that position. It's a (relatively) simple one design class. It would be unfortunate if someone were carrying an iPad or chart plotter back and forth in the tacks.

    Bob.
     
  14. fhhuber

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    Simple:

    Part of the strategy is timing the start so you cross the line at best speed and the right angle JUST after the starting gun/horn.
    Early, you have to turn around and cross the line the right direction again after the horn. (you'll come in 8th in a 6 boat race)
    If you can time it perfectly to be at max speed and cross the line JUST after the horn sounds you have essentially won the race right there.

    Having an electronic device that tells you that timing and the angle/speed to approach the line is a huge advantage.
    Currently you have to count it off in your head or use a stopwatch plus use good old 20-20 eyeballs to judge the positioning.
     
  15. stinger

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    got it! thanks
     

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