New Daggerboard 06' World boats

Discussion in 'Sunfish Talk' started by sfox, Oct 23, 2006.

  1. Porpoise2

    Porpoise2 New Member

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    Among many small sailboats—including three catamarans which I still own—I owned a Laser for just one season. It took a lot of fiddling to get the mailsail ready for sailing, as you can't just "raise" (or lower) the sail.

    I never tipped it over but also never felt secure while sailing it. When my B-I-L visited (and he is an experienced sailor), he took it out in a moderate-to-heavy wind and capsized it in four minutes! (Captured secretly with HIS video camera -- hee hee :D ).

    For a secure ride, ease of maintenance, handling on land or water, convenience of storage and transport, the Sunfish is super hard to beat.

    :)
     
  2. imported_Scott

    imported_Scott Member

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    A question on the new daggerboard with the small aft hole: Would it be legal to enlarge the aft hole into the "old" shaped handle with a router? Rule 3.2.5 states that no modifications shall be allowed to the daggerboard shown in rule 5 figure 4. The rules, unless changed, do not address the new shape. Comments?
     
  3. Old Geezer

    Old Geezer Member

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    I agree with Porpoise 2. The Sunfish will give you a SECURE ride. As for me...

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I mean to go in harm's way."
     
  4. mike4947

    mike4947 Member

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    What Will White when he was class measurer told me was "if it's not specifically allowed it's not legal". That's what I've gone by.
     
  5. sailorf2

    sailorf2 New Member

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    That's a hard one. Because rule 3.2.5 says that you cant alter the daggerboard in anyway unless it's shown in the diagram. However, if you look at the digram of the daggerboard the rules have, it is of the "old" style racing board. So by that rule, I don't think you would be braking any rules. But that's just me.

    Steve
     
  6. Wavedancer

    Wavedancer Upside down? Staff Member

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    You could ask the Class Measurer (Todd Edwards), but I am 99% certain that such a change would not be legal. Primarily because the elimination of the holdfast was conceived for safety reasons, the class wouldn't want to take on any legal exposure for 'blessing' what you are thinking about.
    Moreover, one could argue that making a big hole in the daggerboard would make your fish a (tiny bit) faster. Considering the big hole in the prior version of the board, this argument appears a bit silly to me, but as stated in the prior message, changes to our one-design (!) boat are generally not permitted unless specifically mentioned in the class rules.
     
  7. sailorf2

    sailorf2 New Member

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    If you look at the diagram it has the handle in it. And I really have no idea how it could make it go faster even in the slightest. If you are thinking about weight, it would be the same as the "old" racing board.
     
  8. bhufham

    bhufham Dr Bill

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    Be careful if you use a router on the new board. There are about a dozen stainless steel rods that stiffen the board running through it that will do a j.o.b. on your router bits. Interesting, the diagram shows the handle hole, where my new board has only the holes for the "rope handle." Bill H.
     
  9. Old Geezer

    Old Geezer Member

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    Rule are rules. If the rules say I can modify my new daggerboard to make it identical to an old daggerboard, then I can. Ain't one design sailing grand?
     
  10. mike4947

    mike4947 Member

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    But the rules don't say that about the plastic dagger boards.

    "No modifications shall be allowed to the daggerboard shown on Rule 5 Figure 4. Refinishing and/or repairing are allowed provided that the dimensions are in accordance with the measurement diagram on Rule 5 Figure 4 and with any gauges the Class may use to define the original size and shape. Covering this daggerboard with fiberglass is prohibited."

    Rule 5 figure 4 is the plastic daggerboard.

    Problem here is the rules only get changed once a year and even after the rule is changed it takes time to update the book and site. So the new "revised" plastic daggerboard picture will take about an extra year to be changed/added. Remember it all volunteers doing the work.
    The change was made for safety like Wavevdancer posted, so "converting" to the older style hole would be against safety and definitely not allowed.

    The class measurers over the years have been notoriouis for not taking kindly to folks that "interprete the rules". Sea lawyers should try a different class...LOL
     
  11. beldar boathead

    beldar boathead Well-Known Member

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    Well, whether it is legal or not, if you do a nice job installing a big hole in one of the new boards and paint it nicely, no one will ever know that you did it, and not the factory. BB
     

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