Gouver, my remark "much more experience in the sort of thing you are trying to promote" must be read bearing in mind that your whole thread is about trying to promote pumping. Therefore I never said that you didn't have vast experience and success in sailing. I merely said that there are those who have much more experience (judging from what you have written yourself) in PUMPING. That was what you were trying to promote. Please also see any remarks that you may interpret as personal in the light of the fact that you are repeatedly accusing others of being "closed minds" and scared of change, when in fact some merely have different views and experience and may in fact welcome other changes - but not this one. You have NO evidence that people who disagree with you are scared of change or closed minded. Even if decide that Rule 42 is imperfect that doesn't mean it should be changed. The Laser bow shape may not be perfect. The way almost every class disadvantages shorter sailors is not perfect. The way the buoy room rule may not be perfect. The Laser rig is not perfect. But the alternatives are worse. Anyway, no more from me, sorry for raving on.