How to determine age of my laser (Europe)?

Did some research (forum, google) but the only link I found was the one from ... but that link isn't working anymore. Anybody to help me? I'am looking to buy a Laser, so I have no actual sail number in mind.

First, you thread title in misleading if you do not have laser.
Second, how much research do you do?

(ie, did you search with keywords: year of laser)

posted just two days ago (with your answer posted three hours before your post):
year of laser
http://www.laserforum.org/year-laser-t9983.html?t=9983

maybe some others will chime in and give you more grief... er, i mean help.

HTH
 
A problem you will find with Brit boats, is that they didn't always have the VIN on the stern. I've got PSE #150713, and no one knew how old it was, they thought 93 or 94. Turns out its a late '92.
 
Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But these are all for boats build at the other side of the ocean. Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?

And in fact I need the serial number of the hull. So if you blame me for not doing enough research, tell me then the age of the laser I mentioned (only sail number available)??? I cannot determine it with both of your links !!!

A few weeks I've found a link to determine the age just by the sailnumber (http://www.lasersailing.com/boat-inf...210bb0eceb9fef), but that one is not working anymore since a few weeks...
 
See if there is a number under the bow eye on the deck (probably not if that is the real sail number). The serial numbers all follow the same rules. Are you looking for the age of 97197? Sorry for the rudeness of the poster. We are usually more friendly to newbies!


Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But these are all for boats build at the other side of the ocean. Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?

And in fact I need the serial number of the hull. So if you blame me for not doing enough research, tell me then the age of the laser I mentioned (only sail number available)??? I cannot determine it with both of your links !!!

A few weeks I've found a link to determine the age just by the sailnumber (http://www.lasersailing.com/boat-inf...210bb0eceb9fef), but that one is not working anymore since a few weeks...
 
Neilpryde,

There are no numbers under my boweye, just the shiny sticker in the cockpit. I tried searching for another link, no dice. Still, from the sail # you should be able to get in a three year period. Maybe we can get a few members with sail #'s either side of 97197 to chime in?

Mike
 
... I'am looking to buy a Laser, so I have no actual sail number in mind....

Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But...
... I need the serial number of the hull.

If you knew of the info, why did u not mention "hey, if I had the hull number I could use this link ("year of laser") but all I have is a hypothetical (random) sail number."

In fact, you did not really need to start a NEW thread since it is the same subject as yours and it (a reply) was posted before / same day as your post.

So yes, you may be off course... as you are looking for a hypothetical boat that you do not have (or know anything about) and insist TLC help you find information for sail number "97197".

Then, you may find a boat and request from TLC to repeat this process (again) of determining age based on sail number when you "may" have a complete hull number at that time.

Good luck!
 
I've seen the topic of this thread started at least a dozen times. At no time have I felt compelled to say, hey, why did you start a new thread? Why are you insisting that we help you and so on.

The poster hasn't insisted anything and has made a polite inquery.

WCsailor, you are sounding mean. We are better than that here.

If you knew of the info, why did u not mention "hey, if I had the hull number I could use this link ("year of laser") but all I have is a hypothetical (random) sail number."

In fact, you did not really need to start a NEW thread since it is the same subject as yours and it (a reply) was posted before / same day as your post.

So yes, you may be off course... as you are looking for a hypothetical boat that you do not have (or know anything about) and insist TLC help you find information for sail number "97197".

Then, you may find a boat and request from TLC to repeat this process (again) of determining age based on sail number when you "may" have a complete hull number at that time.

Good luck!
 
I've seen the topic of this thread started at least a dozen times. At no time have I felt compelled to say, hey, why did you start a new thread? Why are you insisting that we help you and so on.

The poster hasn't insisted anything and has made a polite inquery.

WCsailor, you are sounding mean. We are better than that here.

Thank you for your obsevation as I did not feel what you describe in any way; and, I have provided assistance to this fine young man with hopes to resolve his dilemma.

The poster (has insisted) indicated he researched despite another recent thread with same or similar topic (he could have appropriately contributed to that thread).

And remember (Merrily), his (this) thread title is incorrect as he is speaking hypothetically since he is looking for boat and has little or no information. (in other words, he realized that sail number link does not work any more).
 
The poster (has insisted) indicated he researched despite another recent thread with same or similar topic (he could have appropriately contributed to that thread).

And remember (Merrily), his (this) thread title is incorrect as he is speaking hypothetically since he is looking for boat and has little or no information. (in other words, he realized that sail number link does not work any more).

You are tilting at windmills. And he wouldn't be asking questions if he knew stuff. He likely had a particular boat in mind when he asked the question.
 
Getting back to topic at hand (and foregoing the admins tangent to keep me on topic) as it seems he is gathering resources for future purchase...

Can anyone answer his other question regarding boat age and HIN: "Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?"
 
WCsailor,
As I stated before, for the benefit of the rest of the North Americans, the PSE boats don't have a HIN. The only real way to tell the age of a PSE boat was to see an original point of purchase, or to punch the sail number from the genuine laser sticker into the old Lasersailing.com website. As my boat was originallly purchased in the UK, and was tranported here, and I am the 3rd owner,
I would never have truly known the age of my boat w/o the old lasersailing website.


Mike
 
mlemieux1978,

You posted this PRIOR to his second question:
A problem you will find with Brit boats, is that they didn't always have the VIN on the stern. I've got PSE #150713, and no one knew how old it was, they thought 93 or 94. Turns out its a late '92.

World Class,
As I stated before, for the benefit of the rest of the North Americans, the PSE boats don't have a HIN. The only real way to tell the age of a PSE boat was to see an original point of purchase, or to punch the sail number from the genuine laser sticker into the old Lasersailing.com website. As my boat was originallly purchased in the UK, and was tranported here, and I am the 3rd owner,
I would never have truly known the age of my boat w/o the old lasersailing website.
 
All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.

Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.

I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)

After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.

See attached picture of 119,000 series Laser.

Anyway, below is a summary of the information that was available on the lasersailing.com website.

It was published a few years ago on a website in either Excel or PDF format, but I cannot find the link so I have extracted it here.

It's not strictly accurate for the earlier years up to about 1984, as Laser 100,000 was actually made in 1981, so it is about a year out. It seems OK though from 1985 onwards. The boats used at the 1985 Worlds were all 123,000+.

Therefore the 97,000 boat you are looking at will have been made in 1981.

Year Sail / Hull No.
1971 95 –718
1972 100 - 2205
1973 3230 – 14305
1974 15430 – 22496
1975 23926 – 32167
1976 21512 - 35264
1977 35265 - 42273
1978 42274 - 56277
1979 56278 -72998
1980 72999 - 86490
1981 86491- 93254
1982 93255 -104928
1983 104929 -112845
1984 112846 -118022
1985 118023 -123688
1986 123689 -128595
1987 128596 -132231
1988 132232 -136322
1989 136323 -139659
1990 139660 -142789
1991 142790 -145705
1992 145706 -148322
1993 148323 -152360
1994 152361-155822
1995 155823 -158264
1996 158265 -161382
1997 161383 -164398
1998 164399 -166270
1999 166271 -168874
2000 168875 - 171536
2001 171537 - 173950
2002 173950 - 176694
2003 176695 - 179554
2004 179555 - 182213
2005 182214 - 185370
2006 185371 -
 

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All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.

Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.

I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)

After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.

See attached picture of 119,000 series Laser.

Anyway, below is a summary of the information that was available on the lasersailing.com website.

It was published a few years ago on a website in either Excel or PDF format, but I cannot find the link so I have extracted it here.

It's not strictly accurate for the earlier years up to about 1984, as Laser 100,000 was actually made in 1981, so it is about a year out. It seems OK though from 1985 onwards. The boats used at the 1985 Worlds were all 123,000+.

Therefore the 97,000 boat you are looking at will have been made in 1981.

Year Sail / Hull No.
1971 95 –718
1972 100 - 2205
1973 3230 – 14305
1974 15430 – 22496
1975 23926 – 32167
1976 21512 - 35264
1977 35265 - 42273
1978 42274 - 56277
1979 56278 -72998
1980 72999 - 86490
1981 86491- 93254
1982 93255 -104928
1983 104929 -112845
1984 112846 -118022
1985 118023 -123688
1986 123689 -128595
1987 128596 -132231
1988 132232 -136322
1989 136323 -139659
1990 139660 -142789
1991 142790 -145705
1992 145706 -148322
1993 148323 -152360
1994 152361-155822
1995 155823 -158264
1996 158265 -161382
1997 161383 -164398
1998 164399 -166270
1999 166271 -168874
2000 168875 - 171536
2001 171537 - 173950
2002 173950 - 176694
2003 176695 - 179554
2004 179555 - 182213
2005 182214 - 185370
2006 185371 -

That was the info I've found a few weeks ago on the internet, but the website isn't there anymore. So now I know at least around which year the boat is build !! Many thanks to Horizon.

This info is hardly found here on the forum ! At least there are some friendly people around here. Thanks !!

And it's not because I'm a newbie on the forum, that I am a newbie in sailing (20 yrs of (inter)national competition in different boats (but no Laser)) :p
 
All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.

Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.

I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)

After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.

I'm currently trying to find the sail number as well as the production year for my Laser.
Currently I'm a bit confused.

It's made by Performance Sailcraft Europe LTD in UK.

The number under the bow eye is LA0814 and it seems to me that someone has manually engraved the boat number 134319 on the sticker in the cockpit. is this correct?
I thought the boat/sail number should be 100814 based on the number under the bow eye or?

Again, I'm a bit confused here..

/Kippen
 
The number on the sticker in the cockpit is the one to use - so your sail number will be 134319.

Once they (PSE) started to put the stickers in the cockpit, they also then stamped a separate manufacturing code under the bow eye, as with your LA0814. Unfortunately, I don't know how to interpret it, but it does not relate to the sail number.
 
Hi,
I have to add, that many hulls of the Laser, that are procuced at in the UK by PSE, had stamped the sailumber also at the transom (between the gudgeons), before that sticker in the cockpit came and the sailnumber was written on that sticker. The number "LA0814", under the bow eye, is not the sailnumber. In our days we find at the transom under the gunwhale also the "Hull Identification Number" HIN. Also this number (usually beginns this way "GB PSE LS 1 ....") is not the sailnumber.


Aft some intensive searching at my archive I found a table with the sailnumbers /age. I got it from the former homepage of the Swedish Laser Class. Thiey now have a different URL and the table is not to find again. I add a photo of this table below. The Sailnumbers /ages seem to be nearly that what Horizon wrote.

Horizons table ends in 2006.
In 2006 (Laser Worlds 2006 at Jeju, South Korea, September 2006) the charterboats already had the sailnumbers over 190000 (I found a photo at the ILCA Homepage, with a sailnumber 190003, there at Jeju). So, in 2007 Lasers wits sailnumbers 190xxx to 192xxx have been produced. This year, 2008, at the Laser Worlds 2008 at Trreigal/Australia, in February, already Sailnumbers with 193xxx have been racing. I hope this informations do round up the infos for actual sailnumbers.

Ciao
LooserLu
 

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In 2006 (Laser Worlds 2006 at Jeju, South Korea, September 2006) the charterboats already had the sailnumbers over 190000 (I found a photo at the ILCA Homepage, with a sailnumber 190003, there at Jeju). So, in 2007 Lasers wits sailnumbers 190xxx to 192xxx have been produced. This year, 2008, at the Laser Worlds 2008 at Trreigal/Australia, in February, already Sailnumbers with 193xxx have been racing. I hope this informations do round up the infos for actual sailnumbers.

Is it possible that there is some delay in numbers in other parts of the world? I'm currently looking at an UK Laser with sail number 189xxx but it should be 2007 (last 4 digits in hull number are A707)?
 
Is it possible that there is some delay in numbers in other parts of the world? I'm currently looking at an UK Laser with sail number 189xxx but it should be 2007 (last 4 digits in hull number are A707)?

In short words: Yes.

In longer words:

Aft loooong search, I am happy now to say a bit more about the "HIN" of "Laser-I" built by PSE (now: LaserPerformance Europe):

At Europe we have the European Union "EU". This is EU did give some "laws" how trade is to do. One of that regulations/rules is the "Recreational Craft Directive", traders and builders of goods for watercrafts, produced at the EU, have to follow.

One find this directive here to download in English:
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/maritime/maritime_regulatory/doc/guide_v2_94_25_en.pdf

There, at page 36 Topic "2.1" (and for the plaque at the rear-wall of the cockpit of the "Laser-I": topic "2.2") one finds answers.

This regulations may not be confound with US regulations for "HIN"'s or "MIC"'s (Manufaturer Identification Number), please.

Quote of the "Recreational Craft Directive":
>> ...
2.1. Hull identification
Each craft shall be marked with a hull identification
number including the following information:
— manufacturer’s code,
— country of manufacture,
— unique serial number,
— year of production,
— model year.
The relevant harmonised standard gives details
of these requirements. ...
<<<
End of Quote

F.e.: PSE: The HIN is "GB PSE LS 0732 A707"

Related to your question this means: "A" is January, "7" is "built in 2007", "07" is "model year 2007".

The "0732" is the "unique serial number". This number is !!not identical!! with any sailnumber. It is an internal number of PSE. They (PSE) sure have a table to identify "0732" the correct sailnumber.

At the small photo below you see the HIN of my Laser, printed into the gelcoat at starboard side at the transom : "GB PSE LS 0991 I-001", the Sailnumber is 171442.

"0991" is not to compare to "171442". "I-001" means: built in "September"-"2000", "model year: 2001": And that's absolutely true, I agree: Laser 171442 is built in late 2000 but sold in early 2001 (I definitely know that) to the first owner, here at GER.

Here, in the next link, if you scroll down there a bit (to topic: "Latest News from RYA NIC"), you find an anouncement of 2 stolen "Laser-I" of a Sailing Club at the "UK" (Part: North Ireland):
http://www.coleraineyachtclub.co.uk/html/body_club_news.html

Stolen boat 1 had this numbers: Sail number 180941 Hin GB PSE LS 0583 E404
Stolen boat 2 had this numbers: Sail number 180942 Hin GB PSE LS 0579 E404

One may have a look the numbers "0579" and "0583". The if this numbers would DIRECT say something about the sailnumber of that "Laser -I", they should be "0583" / "0584" or "0578" / "0579". But they aren't. Only a table, probably stored at the production-archive of PSE of the year 2004, does say the correct sailnumber, if the plaque at the rear wall of the cockpit is lost or not to read.

So, in result, I have to correct: some boats of the sailnumbers "189xxx" seem to be built later than 2006. Yes, a delay is possible. And I also remember to an old reply from the former "ILCA-NA Email list" (can't find it), that someone did mention, that the builders of the "Laser-I" every year negotiate new the contigents of sailnumbers that the different builders use for their production.
Probably the 1900xx "Laser-I", at Corea, have been built PSJ (Performance Sailcraft Japan) and the other builders (PSA Australia / Vanguard / PSE Europe) had bigger contingents of sailnumbers, but they didn't have already produced them in September 2006. I hope one understand what I want to say.

All the best
LooserLu
 

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