How to determine age of my laser (Europe)?

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  1. neilpryde

    neilpryde New Member

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    Hello,

    Did some research (forum, google) but the only link I found was the one from http://www.lasersailing.com/boat-info/uk/introduction

    But that link isn't working anymore. Anybody to help me? I'am looking to buy a Laser, so I have no actual sail number in mind.

    One example is 97197

    Thx in advance
     
  2. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    First, you thread title in misleading if you do not have laser.
    Second, how much research do you do?

    (ie, did you search with keywords: year of laser)

    posted just two days ago (with your answer posted three hours before your post):
    year of laser
    http://www.laserforum.org/year-laser-t9983.html?t=9983

    maybe some others will chime in and give you more grief... er, i mean help.

    HTH
     
  3. mlemieux1978

    mlemieux1978 New Member

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    A problem you will find with Brit boats, is that they didn't always have the VIN on the stern. I've got PSE #150713, and no one knew how old it was, they thought 93 or 94. Turns out its a late '92.
     
  4. neilpryde

    neilpryde New Member

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    Off course I have found the link you mentioned. But these are all for boats build at the other side of the ocean. Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?

    And in fact I need the serial number of the hull. So if you blame me for not doing enough research, tell me then the age of the laser I mentioned (only sail number available)??? I cannot determine it with both of your links !!!

    A few weeks I've found a link to determine the age just by the sailnumber (http://www.lasersailing.com/boat-inf...210bb0eceb9fef), but that one is not working anymore since a few weeks...
     
  5. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    See if there is a number under the bow eye on the deck (probably not if that is the real sail number). The serial numbers all follow the same rules. Are you looking for the age of 97197? Sorry for the rudeness of the poster. We are usually more friendly to newbies!


     
  6. mlemieux1978

    mlemieux1978 New Member

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    Neilpryde,

    There are no numbers under my boweye, just the shiny sticker in the cockpit. I tried searching for another link, no dice. Still, from the sail # you should be able to get in a three year period. Maybe we can get a few members with sail #'s either side of 97197 to chime in?

    Mike
     
  7. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    If you knew of the info, why did u not mention "hey, if I had the hull number I could use this link ("year of laser") but all I have is a hypothetical (random) sail number."

    In fact, you did not really need to start a NEW thread since it is the same subject as yours and it (a reply) was posted before / same day as your post.

    So yes, you may be off course... as you are looking for a hypothetical boat that you do not have (or know anything about) and insist TLC help you find information for sail number "97197".

    Then, you may find a boat and request from TLC to repeat this process (again) of determining age based on sail number when you "may" have a complete hull number at that time.

    Good luck!
     
  8. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    I've seen the topic of this thread started at least a dozen times. At no time have I felt compelled to say, hey, why did you start a new thread? Why are you insisting that we help you and so on.

    The poster hasn't insisted anything and has made a polite inquery.

    WCsailor, you are sounding mean. We are better than that here.

     
  9. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    Thank you for your obsevation as I did not feel what you describe in any way; and, I have provided assistance to this fine young man with hopes to resolve his dilemma.

    The poster (has insisted) indicated he researched despite another recent thread with same or similar topic (he could have appropriately contributed to that thread).

    And remember (Merrily), his (this) thread title is incorrect as he is speaking hypothetically since he is looking for boat and has little or no information. (in other words, he realized that sail number link does not work any more).
     
  10. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    You are tilting at windmills. And he wouldn't be asking questions if he knew stuff. He likely had a particular boat in mind when he asked the question.
     
  11. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    was does that even mean?
     
  12. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    Getting back to topic at hand (and foregoing the admins tangent to keep me on topic) as it seems he is gathering resources for future purchase...

    Can anyone answer his other question regarding boat age and HIN: "Or do they follow the same rules for boats manufactored in the UK?"
     
  13. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    I already answered that. They follow the same rules.
     
  14. mlemieux1978

    mlemieux1978 New Member

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    WCsailor,
    As I stated before, for the benefit of the rest of the North Americans, the PSE boats don't have a HIN. The only real way to tell the age of a PSE boat was to see an original point of purchase, or to punch the sail number from the genuine laser sticker into the old Lasersailing.com website. As my boat was originallly purchased in the UK, and was tranported here, and I am the 3rd owner,
    I would never have truly known the age of my boat w/o the old lasersailing website.


    Mike
     
  15. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    mlemieux1978,

    You posted this PRIOR to his second question:
     
  16. WCsailor

    WCsailor New Member

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    Yes, you did.
     
  17. Horizon

    Horizon Member

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    All UK (PSE) boats manufactured up to about 1983 / 1984 had a number stamped under the bow eye.

    Certainly of the boats I have owned (all UK manufactured) being 48,000, 81,000, 88,000 and 100,000 series numbers have all had such numbers.

    I have attached a picture of the sail number under the bow eye of my 81,000 Laser. It is not always very clear and can sometimes be partially obscured by the bow eye itself - so you may need to unscrew it to see the full number (with the owner's permission of course!)

    After about 1984 the UK manfacturer started using stickers at the back of the cockpit (as previously stated in this thread). However, these only gave the sail number and not a year of manufacture.

    See attached picture of 119,000 series Laser.

    Anyway, below is a summary of the information that was available on the lasersailing.com website.

    It was published a few years ago on a website in either Excel or PDF format, but I cannot find the link so I have extracted it here.

    It's not strictly accurate for the earlier years up to about 1984, as Laser 100,000 was actually made in 1981, so it is about a year out. It seems OK though from 1985 onwards. The boats used at the 1985 Worlds were all 123,000+.

    Therefore the 97,000 boat you are looking at will have been made in 1981.

    Year Sail / Hull No.
    1971 95 –718
    1972 100 - 2205
    1973 3230 – 14305
    1974 15430 – 22496
    1975 23926 – 32167
    1976 21512 - 35264
    1977 35265 - 42273
    1978 42274 - 56277
    1979 56278 -72998
    1980 72999 - 86490
    1981 86491- 93254
    1982 93255 -104928
    1983 104929 -112845
    1984 112846 -118022
    1985 118023 -123688
    1986 123689 -128595
    1987 128596 -132231
    1988 132232 -136322
    1989 136323 -139659
    1990 139660 -142789
    1991 142790 -145705
    1992 145706 -148322
    1993 148323 -152360
    1994 152361-155822
    1995 155823 -158264
    1996 158265 -161382
    1997 161383 -164398
    1998 164399 -166270
    1999 166271 -168874
    2000 168875 - 171536
    2001 171537 - 173950
    2002 173950 - 176694
    2003 176695 - 179554
    2004 179555 - 182213
    2005 182214 - 185370
    2006 185371 -
     

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  18. neilpryde

    neilpryde New Member

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    That was the info I've found a few weeks ago on the internet, but the website isn't there anymore. So now I know at least around which year the boat is build !! Many thanks to Horizon.

    This info is hardly found here on the forum ! At least there are some friendly people around here. Thanks !!

    And it's not because I'm a newbie on the forum, that I am a newbie in sailing (20 yrs of (inter)national competition in different boats (but no Laser)) :p
     
  19. Kippen

    Kippen New Member

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    I'm currently trying to find the sail number as well as the production year for my Laser.
    Currently I'm a bit confused.

    It's made by Performance Sailcraft Europe LTD in UK.

    The number under the bow eye is LA0814 and it seems to me that someone has manually engraved the boat number 134319 on the sticker in the cockpit. is this correct?
    I thought the boat/sail number should be 100814 based on the number under the bow eye or?

    Again, I'm a bit confused here..

    /Kippen
     
  20. Horizon

    Horizon Member

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    The number on the sticker in the cockpit is the one to use - so your sail number will be 134319.

    Once they (PSE) started to put the stickers in the cockpit, they also then stamped a separate manufacturing code under the bow eye, as with your LA0814. Unfortunately, I don't know how to interpret it, but it does not relate to the sail number.
     

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