Dear Charleston's James Island Yacht Club, Come on.. It's time for some changes..

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by nateowens, Jun 3, 2009.

  1. melges419

    melges419 New Member

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    Well, Week week 2 of the summer series saw 24 Sunfish race 2 windward leeward courses and 3 people did not get on the water in time. i coached 6 Opti kids so should of had 28. Great one design racing and a 2 time world Champion on the line along with some past College of Charleston sailors, some other present college sailors, etc. They had a fleet of 6 Optis. And there were 3 Snipe, 4 Laser but no Nate and have not heard from him. Total of 38 boats raced 2 very good windward leeward courses. I would say it is obvious that JIYC is trying their darndest to support one design. It is tough but trust me when I say the membership was impressed. We rented out 4 Sunfish at $10(all of them) We had a Laser(or two) available(none taken)(we only rent those to exsperienced sailors). We had a good mix of juniors and seniors with a age bracket of about 7 years old to 70.
    I don't know if our club iwth a 2+ year wait list will ever change its membership status but this is a start and we are open to any of you that will show up on Thursdays this summer. I would liove to see the local D12 sailors show up.
    We are not doing it on the week of the sunfish NAs(June 25th). Nate, after the NAs I go to race in Abaco until the 12th of July so the following week I will be glad to take you on in a Laser if you will let me know you will be there. Until then you should show up and give us a chance. We have a group of us who agree with you on some things but may need to look for other avenues and use what we have for now but the bigger the group the better.
    As an aside this weekend is the Hobcaw Regatta and next is the James Island Regatta and JIYC will definitely have Lasers. We need bigger fleets in these regattas to make people take notice. Get a few of your friends and put your Lasers on the water and show us you are as dedicated to One design in Charleston as JIYC sailing committe is.
     
  2. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Wow. This sounds "all good" to me. If I lived there I'd get on the horn and rustle up some Laser sailors. I know they are there and I'd start with trying to convert David Loring back to the dark side, (at least for every other Thursday). Someone, (insert Nate's name here) just needs to work on getting them active on a regular basis. JIYC certainly is offering a place for them to play and people are offering to help him. He just needs to help himself now. I'm a little jealous.................
     
  3. melges419

    melges419 New Member

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    thanks for agreeing. i think we have a bunch to offer and a decent seabreeze every afternoon.
    David sails for fun on thursday but trains still a good bit on Laser and does occasionally race them but he is bringing his daughter(7year old) sailing and that is taking his time up.
    Next year she may sail Opti and if so he will probably be doing more sunfishing. But Charleston has a real good Sunfish fleet and I always tell the kids I train to sail in teh best fleet. Laser is a better boat but Sunfish here is a veery competitive group.

    As an aside and discussion for another part of the forum. I am po'd because the expensive pieces I had to buy for my laser have gone missing. I thought they were too expensive when I bought them and that is probably why someone took them. I hate that I can't just stick my laser in the water. my sunfish parts never have gotten taken adn I have talked to others that have their line system stolen. The piece is a stupid expensive piece that is very important. So my nice hull and sail and stuff sit while I sail sunfish and want to do some laser sailing. I will borrow what I need to race Nate if he makes it but damn that ticks me off. I want to race more laser but can't without a bunch of money.
     
  4. bjmoose

    bjmoose Member

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    That stinks. Laser sailors *should not* steal from other Laser sailors! (or anyone else, for that matter.)
     
  5. melges419

    melges419 New Member

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    Dear Nate;

    we need your help. but you gotta show up. This past weekend was the open regatta and 5 Lasers(you not one), at least 14 Sunfish(I was one), and about 60 or so other one design boats competed at the Hobcaw Regatta. if you want Charleston one design to flourish you need to show up and participate. This Thursday will have at least 40 boats at James Island YC including Sunfish, Laser, Opti,, and some others. You need to make it and bring a friend with a Laser(or more). The door is open to any non-member. If you need to borrow a boat for $10 we will try to put one together for you.

    This weekend is the James island Open Regatta. There will be well over 100 boats and I think there will be a decent fleet of Lasers(especially if you make it). There will be a robust Sunfish Fleet, and it is open to the public. Charleston has plenty of opportunities for any one design fleet including but not limited to 6 open regattas that start in May and end in August. Bring a fleet of 3 or more and you get a start. Great sea breeze in the afternoon at all of them.

    As you probably know the following week, less than 2 hours away, there will be the Beaufort Regatta where there always is an excellent Laser Class(I sailed in it last year). Maybe the way to do one design in Charleston and surrounding is to try to support these events already in place. Provides plenty of opportunity. 3 days a week and then Wednesdays in j24s makes 4. You want to crew on a J24? I can make that happen too. Just get hold of me or show up. We can talk about possible changes or supporting what is already there and underutilized.

    Sail fast, often, and have fun!!!
     
  6. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    Don't forget the CYC-SC open in late July 26-27. The Lowcountry is covered up with sailing opportunities this time of year!
     
  7. AshleyByrd

    AshleyByrd New Member

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    Hi Nate,

    We miss seeing you on Thursday night races at JIYC and wondered where you went. You were a fast dude (upwind : )

    The gate is always open Thursday, and if you show up you can often find some type of local support for boat storage and access. Just wanted to let you know we have a start and local interest in building (or reviving) an organization like the local PHRF group (CORA) but for dinghy sailors. It was called CODA (Charleston One Design Association) and the goal will be to create an organizational racing structure and access for serious dinghy racing acorss all the local clubs as well as access. Hope you can help us if you are in town.

    Most of the (small but growing) Charleston Laser fleet is always up for some weekend practice if you want to go out, you know where we are. Hope you can make the regatta
    at JIYC this week and discuss some more.

    Thanks
    Ashley
     
  8. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    Bring your Radial rig! It's the D12 Radial Grand Prix.
     
  9. melges419

    melges419 New Member

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    some people do not do Charleston Regatta because of lack of water access but JIYC has allowed Lasers and other small one design to use their beach those weekends to launch from so no excuse for that weekend. So Laser sailing available for about 7 weeks straight along with every Thursday night at JIYC. I sail Sunfish due to how easy to move around and set up as is the case with Laser(and because someone tok my Laser line upgrades). Just show up and in 10 minutes you are sailing.
    some upcoming laser events(not all of em)
    JIYC - this weekend - if you want JIYC to support one design-support their event)
    Beaufort YC -next - great Laser Fleet
    Savannah - 2nd weekend of July
    Charleston - 3rd Weekend
    CYC(SC) - 4th weekend
    CYC(NC) - 1st week in august(or Rockville is that weekend also)
    Did I say every Thursday night at JIYC

    We don't need more One design, we need more sailors to support what is there already. There were only 5 at Hobcaw and good racing. Hopefully Lasers show up this week and weekend. You show up and we can massage it to make it what you want but not showing up is the biggest problem.

    Sail fast
     
  10. bobbyh

    bobbyh Member

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    Nate, I'm a member at JIYC and I'd love to know what kind of response you get from the club. My guess is that they will do absolutely nothing. The club is run by a group of people that have no interest in sailing. They don't like being criticized or told what to do, especially by a nonmember. Our annual regatta has been in decline for years (I'm pretty sure they lost money on it last year) and they won't even listen to suggestions from members.

    I've been sailing lasers out of JIYC for about 10 years. I've seen the numbers decline, and I'm unsure as to what to do about it. One thing I do know is that petitioning the JIYC to do something about it is an absolute waste of time.

    If you'd like to discuss this further, send me a PM.
     
  11. Rob B

    Rob B Active Member

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    It seems to me the Thursday night deal is a good tool to try and grow a fleet. I guess there's a problem for a lot to sail during the week? However, Charleston does have a decent amount of events during the summer, (at all clubs combined) for a local fleet to organize and participate in.

    If you could get enough JIYC club members to petition the current board/membership to allow non-club laser sailors to come over for organized weekend racing that might be a start, (if it's the week night schedule that is keepig folks from getting on the water). Besides that there's always Charleston YC or CYC. Jerry Calahan really wants to get the Charleston Laser fleet back on it's feet and he's a CYC member. Anyone talk to him?
     
  12. nateowens

    nateowens District 12

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    Hi Melges,

    Thanks for your continued interest and great comments.

    Based on some recommendations coming from the forum I've been spending the past few weeks in Annapolis getting to know the sailing scene. I came here temporarily for my job but I may stay for the sailing. I drove up here with my laser in tow. I'm going to take the pros and cons of each town and settle in one of them.

    I can report two off topic positives for Charleston that Annapolis does not have enough of..

    • Annapolis does not have a close proximity to a great surf beach. [i.e. folly beach]
    • Annapolis does not have nearly enough girls in sundresses running around.
    That last point may be all it takes for some folks to stay in Charleston. : )
     
  13. nateowens

    nateowens District 12

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    Ashley,

    Great to hear from you. I miss racing there too! A combination of having to tow my laser back and forth and new consulting projects has kept me from Charleston sailing for the time being.

    That's just the kind of idea I was hoping for! Is that an original idea? Or did CODA exist?

    Charleston needs something like that to unify the folks at different clubs and bring out the 20 laser fleet from College of Charleston.

    We would need a good home for such an association. CORA has CYCSC docks. Do you think JIYC fits the bill? Do you think JIYC would want the unending fanfare of hosting CODA events??

    Does anyone have any experience with something like this?

    I loved the comment about the folks launching from the ramp [no club politics or membership involved] and ending the night with beer. That's my kind of place.

    As for your "fast upwind" comment, I think I was just getting lucky.
     
  14. nateowens

    nateowens District 12

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    Hi Wavedancer,

    Thanks for your reply and your support. The dinghy membership or associate membership is exactly what I'm encouraging. I applaud Columbia Sailing Club for having a by law supporting just such a thing. I was in Columbia, SC on assignment for three months. I applied through an quick application, submitted a sailing resume and met the membership board. For $190 for the quarter I had a place to store my laser and a beach to launch from. [now if there were only more competition on lake murray! that's another post for another time] I was a CSC Associate Member with nearly all privileges and responsibilities. It was a mutually beneficial relationship.

    I would love to find such a membership strategy in other clubs.
     
  15. melges419

    melges419 New Member

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    Thanks to all the Lasers that showed up this past weekend at JIYC for the open Regatta. At least 30 I think and 40 Sunfish for some great one design. Enjoyed seeing them.

    The Thursday night things are still on excpet for this week since the Sunfish NAs are going on they are postponing for one week.

    This weekend is Beaufort which always has a good Laser Fleet and Savannah in a few weeks followed by 2 weeks in a row of hopefully good Laser Fleets at Charleston and Carolina. For Charleston event there should be availability to launch for JIYC so don't use lack of water for and excuse.

    Ryan
     
  16. nateowens

    nateowens District 12

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    Hi Mike,

    Great point about old guard and new guard. I would take that one step back and add the caveat that we are not talking about old guard laser sailors [read: Laser Masters, Laser Grand Masters and so on] They are rock solid salt of the earth folks. I hope as I age I can compete as strongly and heartily as they do. I would not want to confuse them with the old guard in yacht club boards.

    There's a sailor blog that posted a rating scale of yacht clubs. It is a good read, no doubt.
    It brings up the age old question of what is the purpose of a yacht club or sailing club. We are all cut from the same cord, but we seem to have very different opinions on this in the same way racers and cruisers look at sailboats differently. Neither one is less right.

    Subtle disclaimer: This post is not directed at any one sailing club or yacht club.
     
  17. John Gilmour

    John Gilmour Member

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    I once suggested to a member of a sailing club with a long waiting list (because they have no room for more boats) that boats that have not been sailed for two years or more be removed from the property so that people who will actually sail their boat can join. There is a Flying Scot at the club with a tree growing up through the hull! But my acquaintance was offended at the suggestion, even though he actively sails. Moral: sailing and yacht clubs tend to like the way they are.

    A suggestion for your letter. Try to make a specific suggestion that will move things in a direction you would like and which will not bug them too much. Start very small. Be specific.

    Good luck!
     

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