Blatantly Non-Class Legal Laser Modifications

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by Keithdb, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Hi All,

    I appreciate that the purists believe the laser to be perfect and any perceived flaw is not a really a flaw but merely a delightful quirk that can be overcome through the proper application of technique and practice allowing a single minded adherence to the class rules with all those that disagree being smelly, incompetent cheaters. If this is you, your opinion it has been duly noted so please feel free to sneer derisively and find another post.

    For anybody left, and purely as a matter of curiosity you understand, has anybody made any modifications to their laser hull/spars/sails/rigging etc with the sole purpose of making it faster and/or easier to sail? The more class illegal the better J

    That said let’s stick to what has actually been done (and ideally photographed) and stop short of any mod that the means the finished boat requires a power source other than the wind.

    Let the discussion commence…..
     
  2. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    In my opinion there are very few mods that are made that make any difference in performance they just make the boat more usable.

    The only modification I have seen that I do strongly object to are the transom corner inserts which reduce the possibility of the mainsheet getting caught.

    Most others are done in ignorance rather than a desire to cheat.
     
  3. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    I assume you mean other than a non-class sail? That one is the most common, and obvious. And accepted.
     
  4. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Yes I have heard tell of these mythical transom corners (I think someone else called it a transom mainsheet deflector) but I'm darned if I can find more than a passing mention of them on the odd forum and have had no luck securing a picture. What do they look like and do they actually work?
     
  5. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Yes in terms of sails I'm thinking slightly more blatantly non-standard. I've uploaded pictures of a few examples I've found of various different designs. The first looks like a standard sail but is fully battened. The second is similar but made out of mylar rather than dacron and the third...well the third one is shall we day different but by all accounts faster (at least for the more full bodied sailor).

    Any thoughts about potential performance or improvements?
     

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  6. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Any thoughts about rigging mods? Obvious one would be using fiddle blocks to rig a fully centered mainsheet arrangement similar that found on the byte (minus the traveller obviously) or bigger dinghies like the bahia.

    Doubtful this would help performance one tiny little bit but it would prevent transom snagging without corner deflectors.
     
  7. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    That first sail is not fully battened those are 'depth' lines so you can judge the curve of the sail easier. If you look closely you can see the battens and they look pretty standard.

    As for the other 2 if anyone turned up at Hunts with one they would be told to use something more appropriate or sail in the handicap fleet with an adjusted PY.
     
  8. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Fair enough. The more rule focused gentlemen at my club would send you packing as well but that's not the point of the thread. Just trying to determine if the laser can be made faster/easier to sail regardless of rules so let's assume that we are in fact relegated to the handicap fleet with an adjusted PY and go from there.

    Any other thoughts?
     
  9. laserxd

    laserxd Member

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    -definitely adding a performance, "turbo" type sail

    -adding a trapeze or "hiking rack" see video:

    -slight modifications, adding stays, jib halyard, jib and sprit for an asym (sort of like an RS, they point better, more comfortable hiking and reaching whoo! $$$$$$ :( capsizing :( )

    -modding the entire hull to make it more like a skiff or catamaran, less surface area more hiking power, a fun project for an old hull

    -adding stickers, and decals lol
     
  10. Keithdb

    Keithdb New Member

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    Loving the "hiking rack" :) True ingenuity at its best!!

    Not sure I can picture the catamaran idea. I've got images of a sailing equivalent of a three legged race with two lasers bolted together with scaffolding tubes each with its own sail and sailor. Amusing to be sure but probably with dubious performance gains.

    I'm totally onboard with the decals though, adding a go faster stripe can't help but improve the performance (at least of the sailor in order to avoid the inevitable abuse that would result through sailing a pimped up boat through the finish line in anything less than first place).
     
  11. tcraig812

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    Please post some close up photos of that hiking rack. I love Laser sailing but that hiking out for a few hours is only so much fun. I know, "keep it flat to go fast," but I am trying. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Bungo Pete

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    Bottleport, the ultimate in go-fast unfair advantage cheating.
     
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  13. Biggestnacho

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    Would one be able to exchange the deck cleats for a cleat that is attached directly to the mainsheet block? Would this be illegal?
     
  14. jeffers

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    I believe that is allowed but most people who used it found more of a hinderance than a help so went back to the deck cleats (if they needed them).
     
  15. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    A laser pretty much requires continuous trimming of the mainsheet. I think a cleat at the mainsheet block would just get cleated when you don't want it to be. Mounting them on the side of the deck allows cleating the mainsheet momentarily if needed, but keeps the cleat out of the way otherwise.

    Of course, some people just don't have them at all.
     
  16. Rob Hair

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    I tried this setup on one of my Lasers, but didn't like it, so removed it.
     
  17. stuck in the 80s

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    I still get called a cheat for using a rooster 8.1 rig in light airs.
     
  18. jeffers

    jeffers Active Member

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    Really....if you are PY racing then just stick your tongue out as you sail past, that is what I do. Although the small tweaks in PY over that last couple of years have made the standard rig very competitive against an 8.1 rig in most conditions.
     
  19. stuck in the 80s

    stuck in the 80s Member

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    The 8.1 rig suits our lake well so yes even with the PY its almost a guaranteed win, thats why they don't like me using it, the latest comment was if you swap rigs you stay with the lowest PY all season being the 8.1 then the heavy airs using the radial you would still be handicapped as the 8.1.
     
  20. Alex/Steve

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    Don't actually see much wrong with that. If you change rig to match conditions why shouldn't you have the lowest PY used during the year
    Actually our club does this for each series during the season as sailors swap from standard to radial to really little rig depending on conditions.
    If you see an advantage in using a smaller rig, then that is your advantage, not the rating

    Steve/Alex
     

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