Best Way To Carry Drinking Water

Discussion in 'Laser Talk' started by urbo100, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. torrid

    torrid Just sailing

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    Rule 43.1 (a) - Competitors shall not wear or carry clothing or equipment for the purpose of increasing their weight.

    This goes back many years when they first banned weight jackets with water ballast. Even though the purpose of the Camelback is hydration, it was felt that it was essentially doing the same thing as water ballast.
     
  2. DaveJH

    DaveJH New Member

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    The original post doesn't mention racing though :)
     
  3. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    They were banned effectively when weight jackets were banned specifically because weight jackets were causing large numbers of back injuries. So be careful.
     
  4. DaveJH

    DaveJH New Member

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    That's interesting, and something to keep in mind.
     
  5. chemprof

    chemprof Member

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    I just bought two of these (from Office Depot ~$3 each). -- Ed
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  6. Voodoo 158546

    Voodoo 158546 Hard hiking at the end of a 3hr race, killer

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    Small half litre bottle of water, stuffed between chest and buoyancy aid - legal, doesn't pop out, can get to it without fuss.
    Bottle cages are illegal for racing, drilling holes and adding line to grab rail is illegal for racing, any modification to the hull or additional line is illegit.
     
  7. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Illegal actually, it's considered to be a weight jacket.

    Bottle cages last time I checked were legal depending how it's attached. Clips & ties are legal, but you'll need to get confirmation from Jean Luc about drilling holes anywhere in the cockpit as rule 21 doesn't mention how clips, ties and bags are attached.

    I really don't know what all the fuss is about over drink bottles. Find a drink bottle with a neck on it, tie shock cord on the neck with a plastic clip on the neck (I pass the shock cord twice through the eye of the clip and use a double or triple fisherman's knot. Hook clip onto shock cord lifting the hiking strap on the back of the cockpit. The alternate is to using the traveller fairleads, tie shock cord to one and run the shock cord through the other and back to the cockpit and tie the drink bottle on the end, this method involves no clips and the bottle can be just dropped back into the cockpit and the tension in the shock cord will keep it there.

    I find it completely amazing that all the people doing major regattas have really simple and legal set ups, but so many others can't achieve this and need Bottle Ports (illegal), Camel Backs (illegal), bike cages and other more complex and usually illegal set ups.
     

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  8. Voodoo 158546

    Voodoo 158546 Hard hiking at the end of a 3hr race, killer

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    Well that put me straight, thanks Alan. image.jpg like this...
     
  9. laser162925

    laser162925 New Member

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    i use 2 elastic 4ml round the front of bottom half ant tie a string to the vang
     
  10. senton1

    senton1 New Member

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  11. Bungo Pete

    Bungo Pete Member

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    If I understand you correctly, you are advocating changing/altering the function of the shock cord which is used to lift the hiking strap? The same goes for the traveler fairleads. Sounds seriously illegal to me.
     
  12. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    It's permitted according to Rule 21.
    Try again!
     
  13. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    Further, can you point out which rule and part there of, prevents the hiking strap shock cord being used in such a manner? On the other hand, I probably agree that it should be illegal to use traveller fairleads, but not for the same reason why you might consider the hiking strap shock cord is illegal.
     
  14. Bungo Pete

    Bungo Pete Member

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    Violates fundemental rule as it is an alteration of the function of the hiking strap shock cord. it you allow that, then attaching something to the grab rail to hold water (i.e. a pice of line or cord) would be allwed. Can't have it both ways.
     
  15. AlanD

    AlanD Former ISAF Laser Measurer

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    I suggest you actually read the rule.
    Firstly, there is no mention of altering the function of something in the fundamental rule.

    Secondly, the shock cord is not modified (arguably it's not even a piece of equipment). Attaching a piece of string, by drilling holes in the grab rail, definitely modifies the grab rail.

    I do wish people would bother reading the rules and the interpretation available on the ILCA website, rather than making assumptions about the rules based upon what they think the rules say.
     

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