Be a Champion in South America !!!!

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  1. Dr._Loser

    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Dear Chainsaw, thanks for your replay !!!
    ...and do not forget,
    Now in S.A. a FAIRLEAD IS GOLD !!!!!!!



    I'm trying to figure out exactly what the difference in the cost of living is
    between Argentina and NZ with the info you gave me but not having much
    luck.
    My sister and brother in law worked for a NZ company in Bolivia for a while
    and all they said was that we don't have a coin small enough to represent the
    average daily wage. Not much help there.


    If you work in an South American company, a guy of 18 years old earns u$s 500.-
    I wonder, how a guy could pay IN CASH a Laser Boat of u$s 8.000.- ?????


    So here is the supplier of laser parts/boats/sails in NZ. These are the Class
    legal ones:
    http://tinyurl.com/572f5m
    you'll have to work out the real cost to the Argentine Peso.

    ARG $ 3 = u$s 1.- US


    I'm not a employee of that place but they would most likely ship to you,
    and if the quantities were reasonable, they may "sharpen up" the price,
    who knows?




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    Have you broke a Fairlead ????

    NO PROBLEM MONKEY !!!!!!

    In SOUTH AMERICA till 2007
    a Fairlead (Omega)........... u$s 3.-

    Now from N.Z.
    a Fairlead (Omega)...........NZ $6.20 + UPS + CUSTOMS +................

    buy it for Only ....... U$S 10 / 12.- !!!!!!!


    Se te rompió una omega ????
    NO HAY PROBLEMA MONO !!!
    En S.A. hasta el 2007.............u$s 3.-
    Ahora en el 2008 pedila a New Zeland
    por sólo u$s 10 / 12.- !!!!

    Link:
    http://www.boatbits.co.nz/shop/Laser+Yacht/Hull+Fittings.html



     
  2. Chainsaw

    Chainsaw Brmmm Brmmm

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    These links are to NZ companies that supply Harken and Holt Allen parts:

    kiwi yachting consultants:
    http://tinyurl.com/3tgh8r
    these people import Holt Allen and sell wholesale.


    Harken NZ:
    http://tinyurl.com/3sv9fe
    they also supply wholesale.

    Boatbits is a retail company - which in NZ means they could make anywhere from 60% - 300% on the wholesale price. The only advice I can give you is to call/contact these companies and sort out some kind of deal. Deal with them direct.

    however, this doesn't solve the problem of sails/boats/foils. You would need an Australian contact for that.

    Is your ARG$ 3 = US$1 a direct exchange or taking into account cost of living?

    I can imagine a fairlead being close to 3 times the price, it's just one of those things people get away with, but would that rate continue in a linear fashion with larger dollar items such as the boat? I don't know.

    Do SA factory workers earn US$500 per month or year?
     
  3. Chainsaw

    Chainsaw Brmmm Brmmm

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    the other option is to send me the money,

    :D

    with an order for enough parts for you and your bro's for the next year and I'll send them in the mail.

    That'll be cheaper than UPS + Customs + import tax.

    I mean how many fairleads do you guys break in year? 10? 20?
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    I can imagine a fairlead being close to 3 times the price.....

    WOOOWWWWWWW !!!!!!
    ....and boats double price.......


    Is your ARG$ 3 = US$1 a direct exchange or taking into account cost of living?

    Some economist people say that it must be
    ARG$ 4,5 = u$s 1.- !!!!!!.......my God !!!!!

    Do SA factory workers earn US$ 500 per month or year?

    Per month, if it would be for year, they could not eat anything.........


    Really we, the ARG Laser sailors, are in big problems, my friends...........

    ......is so sad to see Diego Romero racing for thr Italian team..........but is the best for him !!!!!

    .....BUT THIS IS THE GOOD SIDE OF THE MOON:
    ..... this is the begining of the
    "BANANA CLASS FROM S.A."

    Does Robert Scheidt race it with us ????.

     
  5. Dr._Loser

    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Dear Laser Sailors:

    1º)
    This is (or was ) our dealer in ARG, visit the site and ask them for a Fairlead (Laser omega, ins Spanish).....or try to buy a boat......and see the prices on line !!!!!...I do not lie !!!

    http://www.riotecna.com/

    The chair man is Mr. Zizi


    2º)
    Please read again Mr JOTAG messages, they are cool !!!...they are a few messges behind this


    3º)
    I look like a crazy tell you all this.....don't you believe that some authority MUST say anything in this forum?

    Is this forum important for laser class????

    ......or we are insomniac (people that do not sleep, I mean) and her we are playing???

    ...or like somebody has said: "you are like the Quijote...you figth alone against ghosts"

    4º) and how Sir Ernest Shackleton always have said:

    "To resist is to win"
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Doctor:
    Si la Clase Banana remplazará a la Clase Laser en
    Sud América, por favor dígale al diseñador que ponga la botavara un poco más arriba............


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  7. gouvernail

    gouvernail Active Member

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    Big Red Roll of Duct Tape

    [​IMG]

    fix ankle right with no ILCA help

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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Dear gouvernail:
    I think you have not read this, is very interesting:

    What is the ILCA ????
    http://www.laserinternational.org/information/whatilca.htm



    Here you have a summary

    Provides co-ordination,organisation and communication for the class worldwide.

    Liaison with National and International authorities.

    Monitors building agreements
    http://www.laserinternational.org/manu.htm
    (PRIMEX do not exist any more)

    Positively promotes Laser sailing worldwide.

    This is one of our greatest strengths.
    In many other classes a lack of international communication has caused groups of sailors in different counties to become isolated and the class in that country to become extinct.
    This fall off in activity eventually affects the class in established countries leaving only the truly international classes well supported.

    Co-ordinates International Events Calendar.

    Administers the class worldwide.


    And there is a bonus!
    It is quick to rig, it keeps you fit and is inexpensive !!!

    Probably is not expensive for you and for a lot of people, but we are not alone in this world !!!!!

    6 Continents, 122 Countries.........
    One Continent is in a big trouble

    gouvernail, the pic is very funny, I enjoy it !!!!!
    but I desagree with you.

    Read all this once or twice and after that tell us if you keep thinking the same.

    All the best for you

    Dr Loser
     
  9. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    Buenos días hombre Dr.Loser ;)


    the LooserLu ( In this affair here: ...aka.... "Sancho Pansa" (the mate of Don Quichote) ....) has something for you to check out:

    You wanna have a direct way to a goldmine?

    Here is it:

    www.nautos.com.br

    In the past, Nautos did produce the bailer for the Laser. I have one of that nice Laserparts in reserve.

    LaserPerformance Ltd. Europe now gets the bailers from this adress: http://www.movevirgo.co.uk/bailer.htm , but I guess Nautos also in our days does produce it for the free market.

    Nautos now is "Holt"-Nautos. Holt (and RWO -> http://www.rwo-marine.com ) does produce many of the parts for the Laser.
    This are "goldmines" for you (as you say in the quote above). Holt f.e. has the blocks for the Laserrigg, the fairleads, the vang (old style) and more.
    Take contact to "Holt". I'm sure there are ways to deliver professional that small Laserparts to ARG, via Holt-Nautos/BRA.

    Okay, that only a small help, but in your situation, as you did say it: its "gold" ... I guess.

    From Dr. Laser I did learn, that Laserites say to each other (translated into Spanish)

    Permanezca Mojado, Hombre!
    (Stay wet, my friend)

    LooserLu
     
  10. Dr._Loser

    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    LooserLu:

    I miss you !!!!

    Great Post !!!!!!!!!
    THANKS A LOT !!!!!!

    I tell you:
    In S.A., last year, we have bought almost 400 ILLEGAL LASERS and only 12 VANGUARD BOATS from US.....and a lot of illegal spear parts too.

    We keep sailing but, my Laser is a Laser ???

    I know that is very difficult to understand, listen:

    We live in a CRAZY COUNTRY....CRAZY CONTINENT !!!

    For exaple:
    My brother is Dr.....doctors must work in bigs ORGANIZATIONS.......
    THEY PAY U$S 3.- YES!!!!! THREE DOLLARS EACH PATIENT !!!
    .......so he earns u$s 1.000.- per month........that is why you have a lot of Latin people all over the planet.


    So here we have tech to produce the Laser hull
    per u$s 2.000.- and pay the all we must pay about ROYALTY tho ILCA, then full race cost must be
    u$s 4.000.-

    .....IS WHAT OUR MARKETS ACCEPTS.
    ......but NOW a LASER u$s 8.000.- be sure that the S.A. class will die in a few years !!!

    ........in Brazil, Uruguay, Chile.....all over S.A. is the same situation.......

    If you want, send this text to Mr Jeff and Mr Hini.....or to the Committee......they do not read this forum and they are very angry with me.


    And do not forget this:

    Love your neighbor
    like you love your Laser !!!


    "Ama a tu prójimo
    como amas a tu Laser"

    Dr Loser
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Some guys of T.L.F. ask me for pic from ARG,
    so here we are!!!

    This is me !!!!!!
    Sailing the RIO DE LA PLATA, very brown water !!!!
    The "Banana hull" has a little of water in, but is very fast !!!!!
    I am waiting to buy an original hull !!!!


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    And this is 2005 Masters World Championship in Fortaleza Brazil.

    The ARG delegation.
    They are with the "L" of LOSER in their hands,
    in my honor, of course !!!!

    Results:
    Mr. Campero 4º M Std.
    Mr. Palombo 7º App Rad
    Mr. Larrea 8º GM Std


    Link:
    http://www.laserinternational.org/ILCA%20events/Masters/masters_2005.htm


    [​IMG]
     
  12. Dr._Loser

    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    After two years without boats, and five months without spear parts,
    Brazilian Laser Senior Sailor, Camisinha do Garompa, goes into a freezer till
    I.L.C.A. gives South America a REAL SOLUTION.



    Luego de dos años sin barcos y de cinco meses sin repuestos, el Laserista Senior del Brasil, Camisinha do Garompa comienza una huelga de hambre dentro de un freezer hasta que la ILCA le de a Sud América SOLUCIONES REALES.


    Dr. Loser's news
     
  13. captainJack987

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    Whats the price difference from shipping stuff in from like aps?
     
  14. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    He means from Annapolis Performance Sailing, www.apsltd.com.

    They don't ship overseas, do they?
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Merrily & CapJack

    Whats the price difference from shipping stuff in from like aps?
    Really I do not know....50% PLUS ?......80%?
    But if we have had a dealer in ARG and CHI for the last 10 years, why not now?


    He means from Annapolis Performance Sailing, www.apsltd.com.
    They don't ship overseas, do they?


    I think they do.
    I think that is not comfortable every time you need something, you have to buy ONLY in the web.

    For example I do not have a credit card, so I pay all in cash, so I can not buy in the web......do not forget I am a XIX century guy !!!

    Did you know our ARG dealer's web?
    Here you are:
    http://www.riotecna.com/


    Nautos in Brazil, sells spare parts that they make (are they Authorized Laser Dealers by ILCA?)....I think not....well, it would be a god one for all of us !!!!!!!!.......someone have already said it in this post before.....the Banana boats uses Nautos spare parts!!!...they are good !!!

    Really, the most important about all this is all the new friends I have now all over the world that write to me in TLF and with P.M.!!!

    .....you know, ARG is very cheap for you, next holidays, come to sail with us !!!.......I'll get you a laser.....a BANANA ONE of course !!!!


    HASTA LA VISTA BABY !!
    (Terminator said....)
    Dr Loser

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  16. Merrily

    Merrily Administrator Staff Member

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    You should get over being a 19th century guy, in Roman numerals no less. Suck it up and get a credit card, like the rest of us.

    Love the "ad." Hull "struck a little bit." LOL! :p
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Credit card ????........I prefer go to the bank,
    meet my friend Ed, he is cashier and say Hi.


    The automatic bank is so cold !!!!
    ....and here in the IIIº world the automatic bank
    several times gives you false bills, false money !!!!!


    WELCOME TO THE REAL IIIº WOLRD !!!!

    Do you know this?:
    When you buy a house in ARG, for example

    u$s 100.000.-
    you MUST go with the money CASH in your pocket to pay for it !!! :eek::eek::eek:
    .....you carry money till your ass !!!..........I swear !!!!


    BELIEVE IT OR NOT !!!!!

    Did you hear about "CORRALITO", year 2002??
    The Government stole all the money of the banks, so the morning after, you woke up poor.
    Now you have your savings "Below the mattress"

    We'll learn a lot of funny things while waiting Jeff say something to us!!
    .........I WONDER HOW LONG CAN YOU STAND ME ????? :(:(

    The ARG SLANG course was COOL !!!!!

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  18. Chainsaw

    Chainsaw Brmmm Brmmm

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    Was that the fallout from the Menem government? I remember some factory workers "appropriated" their factories back again just to get a job after the management had left the country.

    Maybe you could get together with your friends and "appropriate" the old ILCA licenced laser factory.
     
  19. LooserLu

    LooserLu LooserLu

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    That's true what he says, Merrily.

    There has been a big banking corruption affair, where members of the government have been involved. Not the same stuff like it happened in Paris with the Societe Nationale, last winter, but very bad for the economy of Argentina, I remember.

    Not everywhere on the globe the "credit card" is the usual way to pay with. Also here at GER, a noticerable number of citizens not have a "credit card". We often use "EC-Card" here, that is not a so called "credit card", but accepted nearly all over Europe...
    Even the Euro already not is "save" money. There are many false 50,-/ 100,-/500,- Euro banknotes in high rotation, here at Europe. If one goes to the "Aldi"-Supermarket,at the till, the cashiers have to check intensive all 50,-/100,- Euro-notes one give them. 500,- Euro are often not accepted at shopping-stores, garages or gasoline-stations etc. etc., here.

    Ciao
    LooserLu

    P.S.: Chainsaw, perhaps one wait to the winter... Then, aft the Games at China, however, "Oh, Surprpise", suddenly a mass of numbers of cheap "Laser"-dinghies "dive up" into the market all over of our globe... How knows ... Mr. Hu Jintao, the President of China, already told "us Germans": ... he don't cares for trademarks and international patents, ... If China want something to own, they buy it (no matter if the owner lovit or not... he told us Germans)... Well, we will see what happens...
     
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    Dr._Loser From 3# World

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    Gidday Chainsaw !!!!!

    First of all I want to say:
    To read this is only five minutes.
    This is only a part of Economic ARG History.
    This NOT involves you, but it'll be Incredible, you'll unbelieve it !!

    Was that the fallout from the Menem government?

    During Dr. Menem ARG$ 1 = u$s 1.-
    So we were rich people traveling around the world (a big FANTASY !!!)

    The "Corralito" was after Dr. Menem, it was during government of Dr. De La Rua.

    What Dr. De La Rua prefer most is to water the bonsai......so in that time came the "Corralito"
    ..so ARG $3.- = u$s 1

    LISTEN THIS:

    IN ONE MONTH WE HAVE HAD FIVE PRESIDENTS OF THE REPUBLIC !!!!!!
    .....is too much........
    Believe or not !!!

    I remember some factory workers "appropriated" their factories back again just to get a job after the management had
    left the country.

    Now they are working like a COOPERATIVE FACTORIES.

    Maybe you could get together with your friends and "appropriate" the old ILCA licenced laser factory.

    The old ILCA licenced laser factory was in CHILE and now is out.


    By the way:
    All my respects to all NZ sailors but two in special way.

    These are two NZ sailors that we have as example, of the G.G.M. (+65) NZ Fleet 2008 W.W.C. !!!!!

    3º Mr. Speed Tom
    4º Mr. Quinn Jim


    We have more news from Uruguay !!!!



    (The illustration has been removed because of user complaints. It is inappropriate for a forum with many junior readers. Merrily)
     
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